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At Kagi we plan to offer this for $20/mo and 6 family members included. You get both paid search (much better than openai bing) + AI (gpt-3.5-turbo/claude-insta

At Kagi we plan to offer this for $20/mo and 6 family members included. You get both paid search (much better than openai bing) + AI (gpt-3.5-turbo/claude-instant). If you need gpt-4 it will be an optional $15/mo upgrade per family member.

freedomben 3y ago
Nice, I'm looking forward to that! You guys have some pretty outstanding AI chops going. I've been really impressed!
- tscolari 3y ago
  out of curiosity, do you cap the trial accounts anyhow? First time I'm trying Kagi, and it's been one minute+ and it is still haven't started showing "Results" (when using `!code`). Just in case you do cap, probably not the best approach if you want to attract people! update: it actually timed out with no result/explanation.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    Code is the one I actually haven't tried. In general though they do cap trials but it's by number of requests, and it will either allow you or not, so that sounds like a bug
fouc 3y ago
is gpt-3.5-turbo/claude-instant better than the model that free tier of chatgpt uses? FWIW, from my testing dolphin-2.5-mixtral-8x7b was clearly better than free tier chatgpt.
- freediver 3y ago
  We are closely following but with price of the models going down so rapidly it is really hard to justify capital investement in infra/people to maintain own stack globally at production quality (at this moment, will probably make a difference at scale larger than where Kagi is today).
idiotsecant 3y ago
This is not a comment on the Kagi service, but more a comment on transitions in general. I have tried Kagi and I think it's great. I really want to use Kagi. I want to support Kagi. I have a mental stickynote that says 'start using Kagi on everything'. Every time I sit down to do some tasks it just falls to the bottom of the to-do pile because I feel like there's so many devices I now need to go through and update. Google really has a powerful advantage by bundling search in with the browser product. Isn't that what got microsoft into anti-trust trouble? How is it allowed?
- muhammadusman 3y ago
  Start with your most used devices, I'm guessing your phone and your main computer. Then the others will slowly follow. Once I switched my phone's default search to Kagi, it made a huge difference because I search a lot more while being on the go and being able to get good, no-spam, no-ads filled search results can be an amazing experience.
- HanClinto 3y ago
  I ran into this same issue. Finally took until Christmas break to have the mental space available. Switched to Firefox + Kagi, and very happy that I did.
  - distances 3y ago
    I wasn't able to quickly find an answer: can you use it also in private browsing mode on Firefox? I basically only use private Firefox browsing both on mobile and desktop.
    - hnaccount141 3y ago
      They give you a unique URL associated with your account that you can use without manually logging in. It does somewhat defeat the purpose of private browsing mode depending on what you're using it for though.
twodayslate 3y ago
Sounds great. Will that plan also have access to the Search API which is currently restricted to Teams plans?
uneoneuno 3y ago
I've been playing around with the assistant stuff and adding !expert to my searches to see what the LLM spits out first as a quick check. I'd love if I could get my custom assistant to work - sounds like a lot of fun to be had there.

freedomben 3y ago

Nice, I'm looking forward to that! You guys have some pretty outstanding AI chops going. I've been really impressed!

tscolari 3y ago
out of curiosity, do you cap the trial accounts anyhow? First time I'm trying Kagi, and it's been one minute+ and it is still haven't started showing "Results" (when using `!code`). Just in case you do cap, probably not the best approach if you want to attract people! update: it actually timed out with no result/explanation.
- freedomben 3y ago
  Code is the one I actually haven't tried. In general though they do cap trials but it's by number of requests, and it will either allow you or not, so that sounds like a bug

fouc 3y ago

is gpt-3.5-turbo/claude-instant better than the model that free tier of chatgpt uses? FWIW, from my testing dolphin-2.5-mixtral-8x7b was clearly better than free tier chatgpt.

freediver 3y ago
We are closely following but with price of the models going down so rapidly it is really hard to justify capital investement in infra/people to maintain own stack globally at production quality (at this moment, will probably make a difference at scale larger than where Kagi is today).

idiotsecant 3y ago

This is not a comment on the Kagi service, but more a comment on transitions in general. I have tried Kagi and I think it's great. I really want to use Kagi. I want to support Kagi. I have a mental stickynote that says 'start using Kagi on everything'. Every time I sit down to do some tasks it just falls to the bottom of the to-do pile because I feel like there's so many devices I now need to go through and update. Google really has a powerful advantage by bundling search in with the browser product. Isn't that what got microsoft into anti-trust trouble? How is it allowed?

muhammadusman 3y ago
Start with your most used devices, I'm guessing your phone and your main computer. Then the others will slowly follow. Once I switched my phone's default search to Kagi, it made a huge difference because I search a lot more while being on the go and being able to get good, no-spam, no-ads filled search results can be an amazing experience.
HanClinto 3y ago
I ran into this same issue. Finally took until Christmas break to have the mental space available. Switched to Firefox + Kagi, and very happy that I did.
- distances 3y ago
  I wasn't able to quickly find an answer: can you use it also in private browsing mode on Firefox? I basically only use private Firefox browsing both on mobile and desktop.
  - hnaccount141 3y ago
    They give you a unique URL associated with your account that you can use without manually logging in. It does somewhat defeat the purpose of private browsing mode depending on what you're using it for though.

twodayslate 3y ago

Sounds great. Will that plan also have access to the Search API which is currently restricted to Teams plans?

uneoneuno 3y ago

I've been playing around with the assistant stuff and adding !expert to my searches to see what the LLM spits out first as a quick check. I'd love if I could get my custom assistant to work - sounds like a lot of fun to be had there.