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Sounds like a transformation issue. In the beginning (I assume) before widespread filling station networks getting gas was an issue. Now it's not. That's not a

Sounds like a transformation issue. In the beginning (I assume) before widespread filling station networks getting gas was an issue. Now it's not. That's not a quality of gas vs EV, it's a quality of ubiquity.

nytesky 3y ago
There is also the fact that charging takes longer, even with supercharging, right?
- jstummbillig 3y ago
  Improvement is tightly coupled with ubiquity. As things get better, they improve in a lot of ways.
gjsman-1000 3y ago
I agree; but nobody buying cars cares about what kind of issue it is. It's an issue ICE doesn't have and they don't want that issue.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  True, and this is why sales for EVs basically automatically increase as infrastructure is built out in a particular area. Once consumers understand the capability and what is their, their buying patterns are fairly rational. In my experience, most people outside of the EV bubble underestimate how much infrastructure is already there. At least for Tesla. For CCS cars in the US, it isn't so great.
bryanlarsen 3y ago
At one point in time the pharmacy was the standard place to buy gasoline.
andrewla 3y ago
It's both -- the ubiquity would make things a lot easier, but you can fill up a car with gas in five minutes.
- jeffbee 3y ago
  > you can fill up a car with gas in five minutes. Yeah, if you spend 4.5 minutes goofing off.
  - pc86 3y ago
    Or you end up getting that one pump/station that takes 50 seconds to spit out a single gallon. I had to rent a 3-row SUV one time and refilling that thing was torturous, thankfully I only had to do it once.
brk 3y ago
It is a transformation issue. However EV's are being promoted as a viable alternative to ICE vehicles generally speaking. The reality is that this is far from true. For many people/families, an EV could be viable. For an even larger percentage of people or families with 2+ vehicles an EV could be very viable. Still, in most scenarios the ICE vehicle is the safe choice, with the pros and cons well understood. IMO some of the EV pushback is from people (like me) who have nothing against EVs, but feel they are still a solid decade away from being a no-brainer choice, with much of the holdup being infrastructure related. I'm all for saving the planet (note: I don't believe that EVs overall are as net environmentally positive as they are portrayed), but I'm not going to do it while stranded at a charging station.

nytesky 3y ago

There is also the fact that charging takes longer, even with supercharging, right?

jstummbillig 3y ago
Improvement is tightly coupled with ubiquity. As things get better, they improve in a lot of ways.

gjsman-1000 3y ago

I agree; but nobody buying cars cares about what kind of issue it is. It's an issue ICE doesn't have and they don't want that issue.

_ea1k 3y ago
True, and this is why sales for EVs basically automatically increase as infrastructure is built out in a particular area. Once consumers understand the capability and what is their, their buying patterns are fairly rational. In my experience, most people outside of the EV bubble underestimate how much infrastructure is already there. At least for Tesla. For CCS cars in the US, it isn't so great.

bryanlarsen 3y ago

At one point in time the pharmacy was the standard place to buy gasoline.

andrewla 3y ago

It's both -- the ubiquity would make things a lot easier, but you can fill up a car with gas in five minutes.

jeffbee 3y ago
> you can fill up a car with gas in five minutes. Yeah, if you spend 4.5 minutes goofing off.
- pc86 3y ago
  Or you end up getting that one pump/station that takes 50 seconds to spit out a single gallon. I had to rent a 3-row SUV one time and refilling that thing was torturous, thankfully I only had to do it once.

brk 3y ago

It is a transformation issue. However EV's are being promoted as a viable alternative to ICE vehicles generally speaking. The reality is that this is far from true. For many people/families, an EV could be viable. For an even larger percentage of people or families with 2+ vehicles an EV could be very viable. Still, in most scenarios the ICE vehicle is the safe choice, with the pros and cons well understood. IMO some of the EV pushback is from people (like me) who have nothing against EVs, but feel they are still a solid decade away from being a no-brainer choice, with much of the holdup being infrastructure related. I'm all for saving the planet (note: I don't believe that EVs overall are as net environmentally positive as they are portrayed), but I'm not going to do it while stranded at a charging station.