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Well, unless Discord starts selling it to ai companies right?

by nemomarx 3y ago

wussboy 3y ago
They wouldn’t…would they? /s
queuebert 3y ago
No, that's never happened before. You're crazy.
- tivert 3y ago
  > No, that's never happened before. You're crazy. Start filling up Discords with insane AI-generated garbage, and maybe you can devalue the data to the point it won't get sold. It's probably totally practical too, just create channels filled with insane bots talking to each other, and cultivate the local knowledge that real people just don't go there. Maybe even allow the insane bots on the main channels, and cultivate the understanding that everyone needs to just block them. It would be important to avoid any kind of widespread conventions about how to do this, since and important goal to to make it practically impossible to algorithmically filter-out the AI generated dogshit when training a model. So don't suffix all the bots with "-bot", everyone just need to be told something like "we block John2993, 3944XNU, SunshineGirl around here." If we work together, maybe we can turn AI (or at least LLMs) into the next blockchain.
  - klondike_klive 3y ago
    The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? I instinctively like it, but only because I flatter myself that I would be a local. I can't see it working to any scale.
    - tivert 3y ago
      > The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? I instinctively like it, but only because I flatter myself that I would be a local. I can't see it working to any scale. I was think it could work if 1) the noise is just obvious enough that a human would get frustrated and block without wasting much time and/or 2) the practice is common enough that everyone except total newbies will learn generally what's up.
    - throwaway29812 3y ago
      > The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? We have this with human online places already it's called 4chan
  - galdosdi 3y ago
    This is an intellectually fascinating thought experiment.
    - tivert 3y ago
      > This is an intellectually fascinating thought experiment. It's not a thought experiment. I'd actually like to do it (and others to do it). IRL. I probably would start with an open source model that's especially prone to hallucinate, try to trigger hallucinations, then maybe feed back the hallucinations by retraining. Might make the most sense to target long-tail topics, because that would give the impression of unreliability while being harder to specifically counter at the topic level (e.g. the large apparent effort to make ChatGPT say only the right things about election results and many other sensitive topics).
  - kmeisthax 3y ago
    This idea has been talked about enough that we call it "Habsburg AI". OpenAI is already aware of it and it's the reason why they stopped web scraping in 2021.
kaashif 3y ago
*until If people believe giving all information to one company and having it unindexable and impossible to find on the open internet is a way to keep your data safe, I have an alternative idea. This unindexability means Discord could charge a much higher price when selling this data.
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kaetemi 3y ago
OpenAI trains GPT on their own Discord server, apparently. If you copy paste a chatlog from any Discord server into GPT completion playground, it has a very strong tendency to regress into a chatlog about GPT, just from that particular chatlog format.
rchaud 3y ago
Imagine the rich economic insights we could get from a Discord AI trained on billions of messages in crypto shitcoin channels. /s

Well, unless Discord starts selling it to ai companies right?

wussboy 3y ago

They wouldn’t…would they? /s

queuebert 3y ago

No, that's never happened before. You're crazy.

tivert 3y ago
> No, that's never happened before. You're crazy. Start filling up Discords with insane AI-generated garbage, and maybe you can devalue the data to the point it won't get sold. It's probably totally practical too, just create channels filled with insane bots talking to each other, and cultivate the local knowledge that real people just don't go there. Maybe even allow the insane bots on the main channels, and cultivate the understanding that everyone needs to just block them. It would be important to avoid any kind of widespread conventions about how to do this, since and important goal to to make it practically impossible to algorithmically filter-out the AI generated dogshit when training a model. So don't suffix all the bots with "-bot", everyone just need to be told something like "we block John2993, 3944XNU, SunshineGirl around here." If we work together, maybe we can turn AI (or at least LLMs) into the next blockchain.
- klondike_klive 3y ago
  The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? I instinctively like it, but only because I flatter myself that I would be a local. I can't see it working to any scale.
  - tivert 3y ago
    > The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? I instinctively like it, but only because I flatter myself that I would be a local. I can't see it working to any scale. I was think it could work if 1) the noise is just obvious enough that a human would get frustrated and block without wasting much time and/or 2) the practice is common enough that everyone except total newbies will learn generally what's up.
  - throwaway29812 3y ago
    > The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? We have this with human online places already it's called 4chan
- galdosdi 3y ago
  This is an intellectually fascinating thought experiment.
  - tivert 3y ago
    > This is an intellectually fascinating thought experiment. It's not a thought experiment. I'd actually like to do it (and others to do it). IRL. I probably would start with an open source model that's especially prone to hallucinate, try to trigger hallucinations, then maybe feed back the hallucinations by retraining. Might make the most sense to target long-tail topics, because that would give the impression of unreliability while being harder to specifically counter at the topic level (e.g. the large apparent effort to make ChatGPT say only the right things about election results and many other sensitive topics).
- kmeisthax 3y ago
  This idea has been talked about enough that we call it "Habsburg AI". OpenAI is already aware of it and it's the reason why they stopped web scraping in 2021.

kaashif 3y ago

*until If people believe giving all information to one company and having it unindexable and impossible to find on the open internet is a way to keep your data safe, I have an alternative idea. This unindexability means Discord could charge a much higher price when selling this data.

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kaetemi 3y ago

OpenAI trains GPT on their own Discord server, apparently. If you copy paste a chatlog from any Discord server into GPT completion playground, it has a very strong tendency to regress into a chatlog about GPT, just from that particular chatlog format.

rchaud 3y ago

Imagine the rich economic insights we could get from a Discord AI trained on billions of messages in crypto shitcoin channels. /s