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> That being said it doesn't need to be on the public internet, but it makes it a lot easier than setting up and managing a private network. I'm sorry what? It

> That being said it doesn't need to be on the public internet, but it makes it a lot easier than setting up and managing a private network. I'm sorry what? It's easier than setting up a portion of/separate LAN with no internet access? I mean, yes, in the strictest "lazy bastard" kind of way, sure. Can we not even ask that of businesses now? Sure Bosch should've secured these things, that's a given and they should be rightly held to the fire to fix them. But also like... wifi routers have been a household staple piece of equipment since like.. 2008? Depending where you live? And we still can't ask business operators to do even the most basic due diligence in setting up their environment, or at the least, hiring someone who can? This is like when you go to a restaurant and their access point is called Spectrum-Wifi-5G using WEP encryption with a password that's like, F8F023gX. Just well established that not a single fuck was given in doing this.

csours 3y ago
=) Have you ever worked in a manufacturing plant? Yes, the solution is TECHNICALLY very easy, but there's a bunch of gatekeepers that really slow things down. The solution to the problem in front of you is always technically very easy and clear, but there are always a tremendous number of problems to be solved in a production manufacturing environment.
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  I mean, sure. But clearly they weren't solved. And if problems like this can't be solved then that points to larger organizational issues involved.
  - csours 3y ago
    > larger organizational issues It's always the incentives. Always.
- Arrath 3y ago
  Not to mention how often things will effectively be set in stone once installed in the plant. How many utterly mission critical e.g. CNC machines are run by a miraculously still functional Gateway desktop running Windows 98 Plus, camouflaged under a few decade's accumulation of rusty shavings from the nearby lathe?
netsharc 3y ago
Maybe it needs the Internet to call home to check if you still have a valid license to screw... ;) - I should contact Bosch with this idea
- freedomben 3y ago
  and don't forget that sweet sweet usage data that they can use and/or sell for marketing purposes. Knowing exactly what the customers do with your tool and when is nice...

csours 3y ago

=) Have you ever worked in a manufacturing plant? Yes, the solution is TECHNICALLY very easy, but there's a bunch of gatekeepers that really slow things down. The solution to the problem in front of you is always technically very easy and clear, but there are always a tremendous number of problems to be solved in a production manufacturing environment.

ToucanLoucan 3y ago
I mean, sure. But clearly they weren't solved. And if problems like this can't be solved then that points to larger organizational issues involved.
- csours 3y ago
  > larger organizational issues It's always the incentives. Always.
Arrath 3y ago
Not to mention how often things will effectively be set in stone once installed in the plant. How many utterly mission critical e.g. CNC machines are run by a miraculously still functional Gateway desktop running Windows 98 Plus, camouflaged under a few decade's accumulation of rusty shavings from the nearby lathe?

netsharc 3y ago

Maybe it needs the Internet to call home to check if you still have a valid license to screw... ;) - I should contact Bosch with this idea

freedomben 3y ago
and don't forget that sweet sweet usage data that they can use and/or sell for marketing purposes. Knowing exactly what the customers do with your tool and when is nice...