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> It's all a matter of perspective. From my perspective, if you can sit on your sofa, build a website, and pull in €80k, you're doing just fine. Where do you p
by caskstrength 3y ago
> It's all a matter of perspective. From my perspective, if you can sit on your sofa, build a website, and pull in €80k, you're doing just fine.
Where do you put the sofa? For locals who inherited and apartment somewhere in Stockholm or Berlin, or have been living in rent-controlled apartment for 20 years, sure, 50k after-tax is fine-ish. What about expats who didn't inherit a 500k Euro apartment from their late grandma?
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoYou can comfortably rent an apartment in most of Europe at market rates on an €80k salary.
- caskstrength 3y agoDefine "comfortably". In EU cities with developed IT job markets (Munich, Stockholm, Paris, etc.) you will be spending half of more of your after tax salary just on rent. And you won't be able to afford to live there anymore after you retire.
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoWarsaw is a counterpoint to that, for example. It has a developed IT job market, and as a senior software developer you'd likely be spending ~20% of your salary on rent. Europe is more than just the few most expensive cities.
- caskstrength 3y agoOh, I'm from eastern Europe myself and of course you can have quite comfortable life there for 80k gross. The counterpoint to that is that 80k is not nearly close to average salary of a person "developing web sites from their sofa" in that region.
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoThat's my understanding of the market (from experience), and it appears to be supported here: https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/levels/senior/locations/warsaw-metropolitan-area https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/levels/senior/loc...
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