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> An all-powerful god who creates subjects that are capable of failing a test of his own devising, even though he totally could make everyone adequate if he so
by vicyyn 3y ago
> An all-powerful god who creates subjects that are capable of failing a test of his own devising, even though he totally could make everyone adequate if he so chose, such a god is an evil sadist
That wouldn't be called a test. That would be perfect beings who follow the commands of god. (which already exist and are called angels)
> It'd be like making up rules for what constitutes an evil pixel in Conway's game of life and punishing those pixels for their transgressions. You controlled every parameter.
If we set the rules and command those pixels you to follow the rules otherwise we punish you. And those pixels had free will but still chose to transgress. Wouldn't be fair to punish them?
> Those pixels failed the test because you set them up for preordained failure.
You have free will. You chose to transgress and revoke god even though the signs were obvious. God knows the outcome because he is all-knowing but you now have the freedom to do whatever you want. Your actions are not forced.
- bzzzt 3y ago> You chose to transgress and revoke god even though the signs were obvious. About 4000 religions that all have a different opinion of what it means to transgress and what god might be is 'obvious'?
- vicyyn 3y agoThere are 4000 religions, but there is one truth. there cannot be 2 truths otherwise that means neither is the truth. We are required to find that truth and follow it. There has to be objective morality that was commanded by god to know what is good and what is bad. Now for me, it's Islam and the Quran. I can say with certainty that the Quran is the word of god and there is plenty of proof. We just need to do a bit of research.
- cko 3y agoIt's ok to worship a cruel god, you know. Just not my cup of tea. You don't have to pretend he is perfect or justify all his actions. Just admit that any human who made the decisions he did would be rightfully judged as an evil person, but since "might makes right" I guess god is infallible. Mental gymnastics only helps you sleep at night and won't change the rest of our minds. Also this discussion went off topic real fast and my comment doesn't help.
- rtsil 3y agoWhat is free will when my life depends on the actions of others? If the water that I drink is filled with nanoparticles that will result in cancer, why I am suffering from the free will of the others who decided to put them there? That means I'm not the subject under test, I'm a NPC. So now we have established that there are perfect beings (angels), subjects under tests (those who have free will) and NPCs (those who suffer from the actions of the aforementioned subjects).