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As I have been saying for a while Google, Amazon, Facebook, all these companies are on the decline. We have allowed them to become so big that they don't fall f

As I have been saying for a while Google, Amazon, Facebook, all these companies are on the decline. We have allowed them to become so big that they don't fall fast but it's very apparent that they would have been disrupted if they were normal sized like companies were in the past.

joak 3y ago
Microsoft was once on the decline and it's now bouncing back. Having billions and captive markets (by network effect) seems to help.
- Zetobal 3y ago
  Microsoft is too big to fail the perfect place for a shit ceo like Satya to just hold the finger in the wind and go with the flow.
  - pdav 3y ago
    What? Hasn’t Nadella been, like, a complete turnaround from the Ballmer years? Did you think Ballmer was onto something with Windows Mobile and not releasing Office apps for the web/iOS/android?
    - Zetobal 3y ago
      And you believe these were hard decisions? That's exactly the point everyone besides the stubborn ceo before would have made them.
- paulus_magnus2 3y ago
  Microsoft has access to ALL corporate data of ALL companies (sharepoint, teams, outlook, office365). Remaining step is to link chatgpt to it and train automated agents.
  - garymiklos 3y ago
    Not all corporates use Microsoft
    - discordance 3y ago
      That's true. Only 95% of enterprise companies use Azure [0] and only 83% of Fortune 500 use Office 365. 0: https://www.extremetech.com/deals/307468-microsoft-azure-is-used-by-95-percent-of-fortune-500-companies-learn-to-use-their-cloud-services-now https://www.extremetech.com/deals/307468-microsoft-azure-is-... 1: https://zipdo.co/statistics/microsoft-office/ https://zipdo.co/statistics/microsoft-office/
      - 2devnull 3y ago
        The 17% who don’t use outlook email all their data to the 83% who do use outlook on a daily basis. MSFT has it all.
        tharne 3y ago
        This is one of the reasons I mostly gave up on protonmail. Sure all my email is encrypted on proton's servers, but everyone else on any given email chain is using gmail, so what's the point?
  - soupfordummies 3y ago
    They can't legally do that though for a vast swath of those companies due to various data-protection regs. They do already have several "train your own model"-style ChatGPT products available though.
    - sbierwagen 3y ago
      I mean, there’s a dozen lawsuits against OpenAI just for training on published books. If you’re going to get sued anyway, why not train on private data?
- screye 3y ago
  Microsoft did decline. Windows, office MSFT mobile and Xbox have either stagnated at the top or declined. Now, stagnation at a few dozen billions in revenue is still good. But very much legacy company stuff. Microsoft built a whole another company called Azure. Smartly acquired 2 other companies called LinkedIn and Github. Then invested early in the biggest phenomenon of the post covid world - Openai. Google ended the 2000s with Ads, Search, Youtube and Android. It's 2023 and not much has changed. Facebook sustains it's growth entirely through multi-billion$ acquisitions. In all cases, the original middle management did very little to help. Azure is the only exception.
  - newshackr 3y ago
    GCP has had growth, like Azure
  - rchaud 3y ago
    Office has stagnated? It's the first thing orgs require third-party apps to integrate SSO for. Office 365 + Sharepoint is a major, major business.
    - wbl 3y ago
      There is no other earth to sell copies of Office to. Very hard to have growth there.
      - rchaud 3y ago
        By that metric, Slack, Jira etc are finished because they don't sell to alien civilizations. The number of employees that need Office 365 accounts is always going to be more than the number that need a Figma, Salesforce or chatGPT account.
        taylodl 3y ago
        And? All you've pointed out is Wall Street's demand for eternal growth is untenable, as if we didn't already know that.
episteme 3y ago
By what measure?
- gfdsgdfgfd 3y ago
  By the one they that was revealed in their dream.
belter 3y ago
Or Coders are on the decline and Gemini is taking over Development?
gfdsgdfgfd 3y ago
> We have allowed them to become so big You have?
- poncho_romero 3y ago
  I believe they are using the democratic _we_ (as opposed to the royal _we_).
ddano 3y ago
For FB/Meta the decline is very obvious on the technological side as well. Nothing really works properly on their platform. And I'm not talking about their basic user features - I'm talking about the features that make them money. Ad setup doesn't work, you are hitting random errors on setting up API calls, basic UX and non-functional pixel setups, some weird limits or even plain unresponsive pages. Just few days ago, talking to their support about ficitonal ad account limit after hitting 5 ad accoutns, they responded to me randomly with system messages in vietnamese - my acc has never had association with vietnamese.
- gardenhedge 3y ago
  Facebook obviously did a great job in handling so much traffic but things have always been crap. Notifications on the Web and when they tried to get into mobile spring to mind.
okdood64 3y ago
> As I have been saying for a while I mean this seriously: Who are you (not name, but in terms of your significance in the community), and why does it matter what you've been saying for a while now?

joak 3y ago

Microsoft was once on the decline and it's now bouncing back. Having billions and captive markets (by network effect) seems to help.

Zetobal 3y ago
Microsoft is too big to fail the perfect place for a shit ceo like Satya to just hold the finger in the wind and go with the flow.
- pdav 3y ago
  What? Hasn’t Nadella been, like, a complete turnaround from the Ballmer years? Did you think Ballmer was onto something with Windows Mobile and not releasing Office apps for the web/iOS/android?
  - Zetobal 3y ago
    And you believe these were hard decisions? That's exactly the point everyone besides the stubborn ceo before would have made them.
paulus_magnus2 3y ago
Microsoft has access to ALL corporate data of ALL companies (sharepoint, teams, outlook, office365). Remaining step is to link chatgpt to it and train automated agents.
- garymiklos 3y ago
  Not all corporates use Microsoft
  - discordance 3y ago
    That's true. Only 95% of enterprise companies use Azure [0] and only 83% of Fortune 500 use Office 365. 0: https://www.extremetech.com/deals/307468-microsoft-azure-is-used-by-95-percent-of-fortune-500-companies-learn-to-use-their-cloud-services-now https://www.extremetech.com/deals/307468-microsoft-azure-is-... 1: https://zipdo.co/statistics/microsoft-office/ https://zipdo.co/statistics/microsoft-office/
    - 2devnull 3y ago
      The 17% who don’t use outlook email all their data to the 83% who do use outlook on a daily basis. MSFT has it all.
      - tharne 3y ago
        This is one of the reasons I mostly gave up on protonmail. Sure all my email is encrypted on proton's servers, but everyone else on any given email chain is using gmail, so what's the point?
- soupfordummies 3y ago
  They can't legally do that though for a vast swath of those companies due to various data-protection regs. They do already have several "train your own model"-style ChatGPT products available though.
  - sbierwagen 3y ago
    I mean, there’s a dozen lawsuits against OpenAI just for training on published books. If you’re going to get sued anyway, why not train on private data?
screye 3y ago
Microsoft did decline. Windows, office MSFT mobile and Xbox have either stagnated at the top or declined. Now, stagnation at a few dozen billions in revenue is still good. But very much legacy company stuff. Microsoft built a whole another company called Azure. Smartly acquired 2 other companies called LinkedIn and Github. Then invested early in the biggest phenomenon of the post covid world - Openai. Google ended the 2000s with Ads, Search, Youtube and Android. It's 2023 and not much has changed. Facebook sustains it's growth entirely through multi-billion$ acquisitions. In all cases, the original middle management did very little to help. Azure is the only exception.
- newshackr 3y ago
  GCP has had growth, like Azure
- rchaud 3y ago
  Office has stagnated? It's the first thing orgs require third-party apps to integrate SSO for. Office 365 + Sharepoint is a major, major business.
  - wbl 3y ago
    There is no other earth to sell copies of Office to. Very hard to have growth there.
    - rchaud 3y ago
      By that metric, Slack, Jira etc are finished because they don't sell to alien civilizations. The number of employees that need Office 365 accounts is always going to be more than the number that need a Figma, Salesforce or chatGPT account.
      - taylodl 3y ago
        And? All you've pointed out is Wall Street's demand for eternal growth is untenable, as if we didn't already know that.

episteme 3y ago

By what measure?

gfdsgdfgfd 3y ago
By the one they that was revealed in their dream.

belter 3y ago

Or Coders are on the decline and Gemini is taking over Development?

gfdsgdfgfd 3y ago

> We have allowed them to become so big You have?

poncho_romero 3y ago
I believe they are using the democratic _we_ (as opposed to the royal _we_).

ddano 3y ago

For FB/Meta the decline is very obvious on the technological side as well. Nothing really works properly on their platform. And I'm not talking about their basic user features - I'm talking about the features that make them money. Ad setup doesn't work, you are hitting random errors on setting up API calls, basic UX and non-functional pixel setups, some weird limits or even plain unresponsive pages. Just few days ago, talking to their support about ficitonal ad account limit after hitting 5 ad accoutns, they responded to me randomly with system messages in vietnamese - my acc has never had association with vietnamese.

gardenhedge 3y ago
Facebook obviously did a great job in handling so much traffic but things have always been crap. Notifications on the Web and when they tried to get into mobile spring to mind.

okdood64 3y ago

> As I have been saying for a while I mean this seriously: Who are you (not name, but in terms of your significance in the community), and why does it matter what you've been saying for a while now?