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Google Voice Search used internal codename "Majel" in reference to Majel Barrett, who played the voice of the Star Trek computer. That was explicitly the ambiti

Google Voice Search used internal codename "Majel" in reference to Majel Barrett, who played the voice of the Star Trek computer. That was explicitly the ambition. It just didn't work out.

sokoloff 3y ago
OK. I believe you. They accidentally created something else that was very useful but different from what they set out to do. Is that a story of failure or of success? Starbucks launched to sell beans and espresso machines. YouTube launched as a video dating site. Are they also failures?
- modeless 3y ago
  I guess where we disagree is "very useful". If Google Assistant stopped working tomorrow I would hardly care at all. There are a couple of scenarios where it's slightly more convenient than using my phone (assuming I don't encounter one of its many failure modes) and that's about it. I'm sure the hands free aspect is important for certain people in certain situations but I think the vast majority of people just don't see a lot of value from it.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    Amazon alone has sold over half-a-billion Alexa-enabled units (around 10 of them to me). I think people see more than $30 of value in them, at least as their revealed preferences suggest.
    - modeless 3y ago
      Those sales were subsidized in expectation of future profitability that will never come (at least not without a ground-up redesign of the product around LLM-based AI agents or some other paradigm). Economically Alexa is a "colossal failure": https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/amazon-alexa-is-a-colossal-failure-on-pace-to-lose-10-billion-this-year/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/amazon-alexa-is-a-co...
    - pests 3y ago
      Yeah, my crock pot and ceiling fan are "Alexa-enabled". That's two.
usrusr 3y ago
But how often did that computer voice-acted by her really do significantly more than "set timer to thirty minutes"? Outside of some broken plots on the original series ("we have insufficient data to know the truth, let's ask the computer who will tell us anyways!"), it really was mostly mundane voice assistant stuff. (I'm deliberately excluding the "ten words to 'author' a holodeck scene" part, that had always been stretching my imagination a little too far, more "this can't work!" than space travel and transporter beams. Then stable diffusion happened)
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  There were some scenes where Riker on the bridge asked the computer essentially a SQL query: "give me a list of star systems with parameters that fit X and cross-reference by Y..." "There are 3 systems which fit your query: ..."
ChildOfChaos 3y ago
That might have been the initial hope of the team, before Google killed it. It's been on the graveyard for years with zero updates, my google assistance nest mini is arguably worse than when I bought it. I believe it is possible to have made it better, but they didn't try, they just gave up, like much of google products.

Google Voice Search used internal codename "Majel" in reference to Majel Barrett, who played the voice of the Star Trek computer. That was explicitly the ambition. It just didn't work out.

sokoloff 3y ago

OK. I believe you. They accidentally created something else that was very useful but different from what they set out to do. Is that a story of failure or of success? Starbucks launched to sell beans and espresso machines. YouTube launched as a video dating site. Are they also failures?

modeless 3y ago
I guess where we disagree is "very useful". If Google Assistant stopped working tomorrow I would hardly care at all. There are a couple of scenarios where it's slightly more convenient than using my phone (assuming I don't encounter one of its many failure modes) and that's about it. I'm sure the hands free aspect is important for certain people in certain situations but I think the vast majority of people just don't see a lot of value from it.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  Amazon alone has sold over half-a-billion Alexa-enabled units (around 10 of them to me). I think people see more than $30 of value in them, at least as their revealed preferences suggest.
  - modeless 3y ago
    Those sales were subsidized in expectation of future profitability that will never come (at least not without a ground-up redesign of the product around LLM-based AI agents or some other paradigm). Economically Alexa is a "colossal failure": https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/amazon-alexa-is-a-colossal-failure-on-pace-to-lose-10-billion-this-year/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/amazon-alexa-is-a-co...
  - pests 3y ago
    Yeah, my crock pot and ceiling fan are "Alexa-enabled". That's two.

usrusr 3y ago

But how often did that computer voice-acted by her really do significantly more than "set timer to thirty minutes"? Outside of some broken plots on the original series ("we have insufficient data to know the truth, let's ask the computer who will tell us anyways!"), it really was mostly mundane voice assistant stuff. (I'm deliberately excluding the "ten words to 'author' a holodeck scene" part, that had always been stretching my imagination a little too far, more "this can't work!" than space travel and transporter beams. Then stable diffusion happened)

shiroiuma 3y ago
There were some scenes where Riker on the bridge asked the computer essentially a SQL query: "give me a list of star systems with parameters that fit X and cross-reference by Y..." "There are 3 systems which fit your query: ..."

ChildOfChaos 3y ago

That might have been the initial hope of the team, before Google killed it. It's been on the graveyard for years with zero updates, my google assistance nest mini is arguably worse than when I bought it. I believe it is possible to have made it better, but they didn't try, they just gave up, like much of google products.