Heck I wish they'd involve us more often at our place. After all, it's us devs who are left with the burden when it's discovered a few days before go-live that

Heck I wish they'd involve us more often at our place. After all, it's us devs who are left with the burden when it's discovered a few days before go-live that sales has sold something we don't have because they missed some nuances in what the customer said or similar.