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I didn't realize this was such a big problem. I don't think I've ever met a brogrammer outside of the Internet.

by debacle 15y ago

moron 15y ago
> I don't think I've ever met a brogrammer outside of the Internet. Precisely.
- stcredzero 15y ago
  Nerds don't have to bro to make women want to go.
droithomme 15y ago
I've been in the industry for decades and interacted with thousands of developers over this time. I've never seen, met or heard a legitimate report of a brogrammer, being an immature, extroverted party going frat house programmer. It's basically an ESxP on the Myers-Briggs. That personality type doesn't get programming or design at all. I have definitely seen this personality type in sales and executive positions though, also banking and finance, and among VCs. But among programmers? No. Now let's talk about why the US has fewer female programmers than Russia, China and India since that's not always been the case. The work environment is the reason, and also pay. Hostile and confrontational gang-attack style interviews such as the person mentioned in his talk (and spoke out against) are a turn off for many, and women more than men. The writer walked out on the talk before he got to his point, but it sounds like, by criticizing the practice of gang attack interviews, and about to talk about attracting women, he may have been about to point out that fraternities that treat women as peers and respectfully end up with more female interest than fraternities that engage in gang assaults. Comparing recruiting to courtship is not a bad analogy. People don't like being abused and high quality people are going to avoid being in relationships, whether work or personal, where abuse is occurring, such as the many places that have gang attack style interviews.
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  Exactly. Everyone has worked themselves up into hysterics over the individual words that he used, while failing to recognize what he was saying.
base698 15y ago
Irony seems lost on the whole tech community lately... Brogrammers are funny for three reasons spanning three groups: 1) The irony that hacker culture has adopted the mores of frat culture. 2) That people think 1 is actually serious and adopt the faux culture. 3) A truly clueless group that thinks the whole gig is for real and "offensive".
- angelbob 15y ago
  4) Facebook.

I didn't realize this was such a big problem. I don't think I've ever met a brogrammer outside of the Internet.

by debacle 15y ago

I didn't realize this was such a big problem. I don't think I've ever met a brogrammer outside of the Internet.

moron 15y ago

> I don't think I've ever met a brogrammer outside of the Internet. Precisely.

stcredzero 15y ago
Nerds don't have to bro to make women want to go.

droithomme 15y ago

I've been in the industry for decades and interacted with thousands of developers over this time. I've never seen, met or heard a legitimate report of a brogrammer, being an immature, extroverted party going frat house programmer. It's basically an ESxP on the Myers-Briggs. That personality type doesn't get programming or design at all. I have definitely seen this personality type in sales and executive positions though, also banking and finance, and among VCs. But among programmers? No. Now let's talk about why the US has fewer female programmers than Russia, China and India since that's not always been the case. The work environment is the reason, and also pay. Hostile and confrontational gang-attack style interviews such as the person mentioned in his talk (and spoke out against) are a turn off for many, and women more than men. The writer walked out on the talk before he got to his point, but it sounds like, by criticizing the practice of gang attack interviews, and about to talk about attracting women, he may have been about to point out that fraternities that treat women as peers and respectfully end up with more female interest than fraternities that engage in gang assaults. Comparing recruiting to courtship is not a bad analogy. People don't like being abused and high quality people are going to avoid being in relationships, whether work or personal, where abuse is occurring, such as the many places that have gang attack style interviews.

burgerbrain 15y ago
Exactly. Everyone has worked themselves up into hysterics over the individual words that he used, while failing to recognize what he was saying.

base698 15y ago

Irony seems lost on the whole tech community lately... Brogrammers are funny for three reasons spanning three groups: 1) The irony that hacker culture has adopted the mores of frat culture. 2) That people think 1 is actually serious and adopt the faux culture. 3) A truly clueless group that thinks the whole gig is for real and "offensive".

angelbob 15y ago
4) Facebook.