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I came across this HN jobs scraper site that has a graph showing jobs over time. There's a very visible decline around the end of 2022. When I filter for my spe

by cedws 3y ago

I came across this HN jobs scraper site that has a graph showing jobs over time. There's a very visible decline around the end of 2022. When I filter for my specific city it's even worse: the number of jobs has dropped to basically zero. https://hnhiring.com/trends https://hnhiring.com/trends In retrospect it was obvious this was coming with the Western economies being pumped up on steroids during the first few years of COVID-19.

Maximus9000 3y ago
Thanks. I've been using these sites as well to watch the trends: https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/senior%20software%20engineer.do https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/senior%20software%20en... https://www.trueup.io/job-trend https://www.trueup.io/job-trend
- ghostly_s 3y ago
  Thanks, these are great. Wish itjobswatch.co.uk had data for the US as well, but assuming trueup is using their own listing data it seems to be pretty globally diverse. A tangent but I'm curious due to the language on this site: Is SWEng generally considered part of "IT" in the UK? Here in the states it seems most orgs consider IT strictly infra and "Dev"/"Engineering" is a separate thing. Some do place it within IT, but in my (limited) experience those orgs which do tend to have a running conflict with SWE fighting to get out of IT because of onerous policies which were perceived as not well-suited to their workflow.
happytiger 3y ago
In addition to AI and macroeconomic factors, I think it’s very much related to the Section 174 tax changes at least in large part. https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/the-pulse-75 https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/the-pulse-75 This was discussed on HN the other day. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38931860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38931860
- abirch 3y ago
  OMG the 2017 tax bill continues to hurt the coastal masses.
  - happytiger 3y ago
    Not sure why this is political. Software engineers live in non-coastal areas and red states and flyovers have plenty of startup successes these days. This bill hurts small businesses just as much as startups too! And at a time when we need to be seeding the next generation of companies.
    - abirch 3y ago
      The majority of software engineers live in California, Washington, Massachusetts, New York, and Texas. https://www.benfrederickson.com/github-developer-locations/ https://www.benfrederickson.com/github-developer-locations/ Just curious, what's the latest software startup that's in your words in a flyover state compared to an openai or databricks
      - happytiger 3y ago
        Nothing compares to OpenAI at the moment. That argument is a classic example of false equivalence — to draw the two largest valley centric examples and the fastest growing company in the history of the Internet and ask me to find equivalence is asinine and a fools task. It’s further false argument to say “the majority of developers are on the coasts” when the contention is whether there are successful companies elsewhere. The location of software engineering talent density will follow venture market funding availability, not companies that represent non-coastal success stories where that PE and VC money concentrates workers. But there are plenty of companies. https://www.cbinsights.com/research-unicorn-companies https://www.cbinsights.com/research-unicorn-companies > Software engineers live in non-coastal areas and red states and flyovers have plenty of startup successes these days. There are plenty of software engineers in non-coastal areas and plenty of startups successes that aren’t on a US coastline, even if the majority are. Apologies, I can’t reply to your comment. We are in too deep. My best to you.
sinuhe69 3y ago
When I look at the chart, I actually see a down trend long BEFORE COVID. It seems the current situation is a continuation of this trend from pre-pandemic.
jordinl 3y ago
wow. I'm the creator of hnhiring.com. Interestingly enough yesterday I made some tweaks to the trends page because it was quite slow, now it's much faster.

by cedws 3y ago

Maximus9000 3y ago

Thanks. I've been using these sites as well to watch the trends: https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/senior%20software%20engineer.do https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/senior%20software%20en... https://www.trueup.io/job-trend https://www.trueup.io/job-trend

ghostly_s 3y ago
Thanks, these are great. Wish itjobswatch.co.uk had data for the US as well, but assuming trueup is using their own listing data it seems to be pretty globally diverse. A tangent but I'm curious due to the language on this site: Is SWEng generally considered part of "IT" in the UK? Here in the states it seems most orgs consider IT strictly infra and "Dev"/"Engineering" is a separate thing. Some do place it within IT, but in my (limited) experience those orgs which do tend to have a running conflict with SWE fighting to get out of IT because of onerous policies which were perceived as not well-suited to their workflow.

happytiger 3y ago

In addition to AI and macroeconomic factors, I think it’s very much related to the Section 174 tax changes at least in large part. https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/the-pulse-75 https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/the-pulse-75 This was discussed on HN the other day. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38931860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38931860

abirch 3y ago
OMG the 2017 tax bill continues to hurt the coastal masses.
- happytiger 3y ago
  Not sure why this is political. Software engineers live in non-coastal areas and red states and flyovers have plenty of startup successes these days. This bill hurts small businesses just as much as startups too! And at a time when we need to be seeding the next generation of companies.
  - abirch 3y ago
    The majority of software engineers live in California, Washington, Massachusetts, New York, and Texas. https://www.benfrederickson.com/github-developer-locations/ https://www.benfrederickson.com/github-developer-locations/ Just curious, what's the latest software startup that's in your words in a flyover state compared to an openai or databricks
    - happytiger 3y ago
      Nothing compares to OpenAI at the moment. That argument is a classic example of false equivalence — to draw the two largest valley centric examples and the fastest growing company in the history of the Internet and ask me to find equivalence is asinine and a fools task. It’s further false argument to say “the majority of developers are on the coasts” when the contention is whether there are successful companies elsewhere. The location of software engineering talent density will follow venture market funding availability, not companies that represent non-coastal success stories where that PE and VC money concentrates workers. But there are plenty of companies. https://www.cbinsights.com/research-unicorn-companies https://www.cbinsights.com/research-unicorn-companies > Software engineers live in non-coastal areas and red states and flyovers have plenty of startup successes these days. There are plenty of software engineers in non-coastal areas and plenty of startups successes that aren’t on a US coastline, even if the majority are. Apologies, I can’t reply to your comment. We are in too deep. My best to you.

sinuhe69 3y ago

When I look at the chart, I actually see a down trend long BEFORE COVID. It seems the current situation is a continuation of this trend from pre-pandemic.

jordinl 3y ago

wow. I'm the creator of hnhiring.com. Interestingly enough yesterday I made some tweaks to the trends page because it was quite slow, now it's much faster.