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Does it really matter? I get google mail, with 6+ gigs of quota. I can make free calls via google's email website. I have a google phone number from GVoice.

Does it really matter? I get google mail, with 6+ gigs of quota. I can make free calls via google's email website. I have a google phone number from GVoice. If my phone service is deactivated, I still get calls and texts and transcription. All I need then is to log in via a free wifi. I have all my contacts saved from my phone, along with free recording and voicemail transcription. I have a full history of what I've previously searched, along with what links I found. I have a chat service hooked up to my email. And now, I can back up critical files like my resume and documents on GDrive. I also make 7.25/hr , with no benefits, nor any employee perks whatsoever. I am also a "part time employee" and in an at-will state. I had to take this job after unfortunate events. I like eating. What google provides is something I COULD NOT pay for elsewise. If I pay with some datamining, so be it. I gladly accept that trade. They'll only datamine a poor person. If my data (and lack of money) is good enough for Google, good on them. I would value what I'm getting at $50/month.

TheAmazingIdiot 14y ago
Gotta love the downvoter brigade. And yet, nobody tells why I'm downvoted. I have an interview tomorrow, for a tech position. The fact I can give them a phone number that "always works" is spectacular. The same goes with my email as well. Do you know what my chances are of getting a job with neither of those things?? None. And I also value my privacy. But at this point, my privacy is approaching 0, because of free services like Google. Perhaps when (if ever) I make a decent wage, I will come back to this tradeoff. But for now, I'm looking at this as a form of corporate welfare for poor people. I benefit. They benefit.
mauriciob 14y ago
Data mining? I have no problem with that. Even the grocery store I go does that. I'm not exactly OK when they say they can "reproduce, modify, create derivative works (...), publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content." Also, I wouldn't call my resume a "critical file". The source of the work I create (e.g. software), is a "critical file" if they can just use it however they want.
- huggyface 14y ago
  I'm not exactly OK when they say they can "reproduce, modify, create derivative works (...), publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content." Ignore the hysterical reactions by those with an agenda. That section of the ToU explicitly applies to information that you explicitly make public (such as posting on Google+).
  - cooldeal 14y ago
    Maybe you can point to the part where it makes clear that the clause applies to only things made explicitly public instead of some handwaving about people with an agenda? These are matters of law and when it comes to a court, what is clearly written down matters more than what your assumptions are. Lets take a (very unlikely) hypothetical case of you uploading a movie script to Google Drive, and as you're shopping it around to studios, Google makes a new service called Google Studios and uses the script for free. You sue them and they point to that clause. Which part of the agreement can you point to, to prove to the judge that Google violated your rights?
    - huggyface 14y ago
      >instead of some handwaving about people with an agenda I'm sorry but when people are intentionally cherry picking incendiary parts of one ToS while intentionally ignoring those in another, that speaks to an agenda. The reporting has not been more clear. >Lets take a (very unlikely) hypothetical case of you uploading a movie script to Google Drive, and as you're shopping it around to studios, Google makes a new service called Google Studios and uses the script for free. You sue them and they point to that clause. "Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours." This could not be clearer. The principals of intellectual property and copyright are well enshrined and are not abstract ideas. That overarching statement invalidates the ludicrous notion that Google is going to sell your script, or do anything else to monetize private content beyond the most obvious of building a profile (which is no different from Microsoft, your beloved, or Apple).
    - 14y ago
jeffool 14y ago
FYI, your Google Voice calls are using your minutes and won't continue if you stop your plan. (Unless you're using some kind of work around.) Maybe I misread... Just thought you should know. Good luck with the job hunt! I'm in the exact same boat!
- Cushman 14y ago
  Only if you use the phone. Calling directly from Gmail or Google Voice is free (for domestic calls in the US and Canada).
- TheAmazingIdiot 14y ago
  I get around a good chunk of problems with an unlocked jailbroken iPhone 3GS and a service called Family Mobile. Family mobile is a t-mobile service with Walmart branded name. I still have 10$ off per month from being a former employee. It'd normally be $65/2 lines/month. 2 lines, unlimited text and phone, with free 2g data is 55$ a month. Also all "pay SMS" and other scammy services are neutered by the provider unless I explicitly allow them. I also live at my parents, so in a pinch, I can redirect GVoice to the house landline. It's not the best of solutions, but it does work. Be aware, you're not watching YouTube and stuff from the speed of connection. However it's awesome for emails and tethering. I can do an amazing amount of work from an eeePC (gifted) and a tethered iPhone, with google services. The interview went awesomely well. It's for level 2 tech at a university

TheAmazingIdiot 14y ago

Gotta love the downvoter brigade. And yet, nobody tells why I'm downvoted. I have an interview tomorrow, for a tech position. The fact I can give them a phone number that "always works" is spectacular. The same goes with my email as well. Do you know what my chances are of getting a job with neither of those things?? None. And I also value my privacy. But at this point, my privacy is approaching 0, because of free services like Google. Perhaps when (if ever) I make a decent wage, I will come back to this tradeoff. But for now, I'm looking at this as a form of corporate welfare for poor people. I benefit. They benefit.

mauriciob 14y ago

Data mining? I have no problem with that. Even the grocery store I go does that. I'm not exactly OK when they say they can "reproduce, modify, create derivative works (...), publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content." Also, I wouldn't call my resume a "critical file". The source of the work I create (e.g. software), is a "critical file" if they can just use it however they want.

huggyface 14y ago
I'm not exactly OK when they say they can "reproduce, modify, create derivative works (...), publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content." Ignore the hysterical reactions by those with an agenda. That section of the ToU explicitly applies to information that you explicitly make public (such as posting on Google+).
- cooldeal 14y ago
  Maybe you can point to the part where it makes clear that the clause applies to only things made explicitly public instead of some handwaving about people with an agenda? These are matters of law and when it comes to a court, what is clearly written down matters more than what your assumptions are. Lets take a (very unlikely) hypothetical case of you uploading a movie script to Google Drive, and as you're shopping it around to studios, Google makes a new service called Google Studios and uses the script for free. You sue them and they point to that clause. Which part of the agreement can you point to, to prove to the judge that Google violated your rights?
  - huggyface 14y ago
    >instead of some handwaving about people with an agenda I'm sorry but when people are intentionally cherry picking incendiary parts of one ToS while intentionally ignoring those in another, that speaks to an agenda. The reporting has not been more clear. >Lets take a (very unlikely) hypothetical case of you uploading a movie script to Google Drive, and as you're shopping it around to studios, Google makes a new service called Google Studios and uses the script for free. You sue them and they point to that clause. "Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours." This could not be clearer. The principals of intellectual property and copyright are well enshrined and are not abstract ideas. That overarching statement invalidates the ludicrous notion that Google is going to sell your script, or do anything else to monetize private content beyond the most obvious of building a profile (which is no different from Microsoft, your beloved, or Apple).
  - 14y ago

jeffool 14y ago

FYI, your Google Voice calls are using your minutes and won't continue if you stop your plan. (Unless you're using some kind of work around.) Maybe I misread... Just thought you should know. Good luck with the job hunt! I'm in the exact same boat!

Cushman 14y ago
Only if you use the phone. Calling directly from Gmail or Google Voice is free (for domestic calls in the US and Canada).
TheAmazingIdiot 14y ago
I get around a good chunk of problems with an unlocked jailbroken iPhone 3GS and a service called Family Mobile. Family mobile is a t-mobile service with Walmart branded name. I still have 10$ off per month from being a former employee. It'd normally be $65/2 lines/month. 2 lines, unlimited text and phone, with free 2g data is 55$ a month. Also all "pay SMS" and other scammy services are neutered by the provider unless I explicitly allow them. I also live at my parents, so in a pinch, I can redirect GVoice to the house landline. It's not the best of solutions, but it does work. Be aware, you're not watching YouTube and stuff from the speed of connection. However it's awesome for emails and tethering. I can do an amazing amount of work from an eeePC (gifted) and a tethered iPhone, with google services. The interview went awesomely well. It's for level 2 tech at a university