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90% of Lithuanian girls/women last names end with ė. Which is mandated by the government, so as long as parents hold Lithuanian passports then you will be stuck

by zqna 3y ago

90% of Lithuanian girls/women last names end with ė. Which is mandated by the government, so as long as parents hold Lithuanian passports then you will be stuck with your ė. So, good luck opening a bank account abroad for your baby daughter.

medo-bear 3y ago
> 90% of Lithuanian girls/women last names end with ė. Which is mandated by the government Why is this mandated by the government?
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Cultural war it seems. "VLKK Chairperson Violeta Meiliūnaitė claims that legalising such a spelling would “violate the Lithuanian name system and have a negative impact on the country’s linguistic and cultural identity and distinctiveness”." https://media.efhr.eu/2023/09/27/vlkk-legalisation-of-female-surnames-with-an-a-ending-would-have-a-negative-impact-on-the-language/ https://media.efhr.eu/2023/09/27/vlkk-legalisation-of-female...
- pwdisswordfishc 3y ago
  There is a legal requirement to adjust names to conform to Lithuanian morphology. This includes foreign names.
- robocat 3y ago
  Children's names are restricted in many countries (including my own, New Zealand): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_law Hopefully someone will add the reason for Lithuania. Iceland: Parents are limited to choosing children's names from the Personal Names Register, which as of 2013 approved 1800 names for each gender. Since 2019 given names are no longer restricted by gender. The Icelandic Naming Committee maintains the list and hears requests for exceptions. New Zealand: Below is a list of banned names in New Zealand:* [Asterisk], 4Real, 89, Anal, Bishop, Constable, H-Q, II, III, Justice, Justus, Knight, Lucifer, Mafia No Fear, Minister, Mr, Queen Victoria, Royale, Saint, Sex Fruit, Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii. Note I suspect * is special because I think it is a is placeholder in the Dept. Internal Affairs for none (I had an acquaintance that changed their name to a single word and the asterisk appeared in their surname field officially - also see http://wookware.org/name.html http://wookware.org/name.html ) And hilariously Australia had this girl called Methamphetamine Rules recently: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/19/can-you-name-your-baby-methamphetamine-rules-in-australia https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/19/can-y...
  - medo-bear 3y ago
    Hahaha I remember this. There are some missing from that list I think. Bus shelter 59 (or similar) Hitler Benson & Hedges
- Habgdnv 3y ago
  It is required by law because this is part of the language. So not to break the language. It is in most slavic countries. I think Russia is the biggest one. Female surname - ova/ska, male - ov/ski. Check in google translate "One car and one truck" - the word one is gendered. It is normal way of speech - don't confuse this with north korea where you have a list of few names to choose from.
  - medo-bear 3y ago
    I thought that is a cultural thing. Pretty weird to have it mandated by law. Do you know of any other countries that mandate it by law
turminal 3y ago
Did I read this correctly, there is a mandatory suffix to names of all female Lithuanians, required by law?
- a-priori 3y ago
  Mandatory naming systems are pretty common around the world. Many countries, for example, have a list of permitted given names, and requirements around what family name can be used (e.g father's name, if father is known).
  - chrisdhoover 3y ago
    No moon unit for you
    - kmoser 3y ago
      You'll have to settle for Moon Unitė.
- zqna 3y ago
  Yes. A bit more (somewhat funny, but also sad) context: https://www.mdpi.com/2313-5778/7/4/88 https://www.mdpi.com/2313-5778/7/4/88
- miki123211 3y ago
  In many languages, last names are Gendered. Polish does this for some local last names, mostly the ones ending with "ski" (they end with "ska" for a female)[1]. This makes grammatical sense, Polish adjectives change their form depending on the gender of the noun they apply to, and those names are kind of sort of adjective like. Czech goes even further and applies grammatical rules to all names, even foreign ones. Czech news broadcasters will literally say "Melania Trumpova" or "Michelle Obamova". Incidentally, those gendered forms are a pain in the ass to deal with in user interfaces, particularly if you don't have gender information for your users and/or want to support nonbinary, something slavic languages are really not designed to do. [1] The US doesn't enforce this rule of course, and therefore it's not unusual to meet a female American with Polish roots with the surname "Kaminski" (or sometimes even "Cumminskey").

by zqna 3y ago

medo-bear 3y ago

> 90% of Lithuanian girls/women last names end with ė. Which is mandated by the government Why is this mandated by the government?

hutzlibu 3y ago
Cultural war it seems. "VLKK Chairperson Violeta Meiliūnaitė claims that legalising such a spelling would “violate the Lithuanian name system and have a negative impact on the country’s linguistic and cultural identity and distinctiveness”." https://media.efhr.eu/2023/09/27/vlkk-legalisation-of-female-surnames-with-an-a-ending-would-have-a-negative-impact-on-the-language/ https://media.efhr.eu/2023/09/27/vlkk-legalisation-of-female...
pwdisswordfishc 3y ago
There is a legal requirement to adjust names to conform to Lithuanian morphology. This includes foreign names.
robocat 3y ago
Children's names are restricted in many countries (including my own, New Zealand): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_law Hopefully someone will add the reason for Lithuania. Iceland: Parents are limited to choosing children's names from the Personal Names Register, which as of 2013 approved 1800 names for each gender. Since 2019 given names are no longer restricted by gender. The Icelandic Naming Committee maintains the list and hears requests for exceptions. New Zealand: Below is a list of banned names in New Zealand:* [Asterisk], 4Real, 89, Anal, Bishop, Constable, H-Q, II, III, Justice, Justus, Knight, Lucifer, Mafia No Fear, Minister, Mr, Queen Victoria, Royale, Saint, Sex Fruit, Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii. Note I suspect * is special because I think it is a is placeholder in the Dept. Internal Affairs for none (I had an acquaintance that changed their name to a single word and the asterisk appeared in their surname field officially - also see http://wookware.org/name.html http://wookware.org/name.html ) And hilariously Australia had this girl called Methamphetamine Rules recently: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/19/can-you-name-your-baby-methamphetamine-rules-in-australia https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/19/can-y...
- medo-bear 3y ago
  Hahaha I remember this. There are some missing from that list I think. Bus shelter 59 (or similar) Hitler Benson & Hedges
Habgdnv 3y ago
It is required by law because this is part of the language. So not to break the language. It is in most slavic countries. I think Russia is the biggest one. Female surname - ova/ska, male - ov/ski. Check in google translate "One car and one truck" - the word one is gendered. It is normal way of speech - don't confuse this with north korea where you have a list of few names to choose from.
- medo-bear 3y ago
  I thought that is a cultural thing. Pretty weird to have it mandated by law. Do you know of any other countries that mandate it by law

turminal 3y ago

Did I read this correctly, there is a mandatory suffix to names of all female Lithuanians, required by law?

a-priori 3y ago
Mandatory naming systems are pretty common around the world. Many countries, for example, have a list of permitted given names, and requirements around what family name can be used (e.g father's name, if father is known).
- chrisdhoover 3y ago
  No moon unit for you
  - kmoser 3y ago
    You'll have to settle for Moon Unitė.
zqna 3y ago
Yes. A bit more (somewhat funny, but also sad) context: https://www.mdpi.com/2313-5778/7/4/88 https://www.mdpi.com/2313-5778/7/4/88
miki123211 3y ago
In many languages, last names are Gendered. Polish does this for some local last names, mostly the ones ending with "ski" (they end with "ska" for a female)[1]. This makes grammatical sense, Polish adjectives change their form depending on the gender of the noun they apply to, and those names are kind of sort of adjective like. Czech goes even further and applies grammatical rules to all names, even foreign ones. Czech news broadcasters will literally say "Melania Trumpova" or "Michelle Obamova". Incidentally, those gendered forms are a pain in the ass to deal with in user interfaces, particularly if you don't have gender information for your users and/or want to support nonbinary, something slavic languages are really not designed to do. [1] The US doesn't enforce this rule of course, and therefore it's not unusual to meet a female American with Polish roots with the surname "Kaminski" (or sometimes even "Cumminskey").