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I am extrapolating from the DEI stuff exposed by Ashley St Claire at United Airlines and I'm using this to target patronizing and dangerous DEI initiatives, not

I am extrapolating from the DEI stuff exposed by Ashley St Claire at United Airlines and I'm using this to target patronizing and dangerous DEI initiatives, not individuals. Boeing should be held liable for hiring based on skin colour and orientation instead of merit, this risking lives.

goku12 3y ago
So you're 'extrapolating' an unrelated incident in a different company to target DEI initiatives at Boeing? If you remember the MCAS saga, you'll note that rot occurred at the exceedingly white executive level while the company was trying to pin the blame on foreign pilots. This is even supported by voice clips and email transcripts. Some of those were outright arrogant. It clearly shows a pattern consistent with profiteering work culture and nothing related to any race. In fact, this is one pattern I've seen with such racist dog whistles - blame the marginalized groups and target DEI measures without any good justification to save the image of the privileged. It propagates the sinister implication that an employee is definitely bad if they are a DEI hire. We're talking about a dangerous situation again with the potential to cause loss of life. It warrants serious contemplation as it might affect us some day. The fact that some people will hijack the discussion to advance their racist agenda is beyond disgusting.
- mikrotikker 3y ago
  DEI is a racist agenda that endangers us all. It should be discarded for a merit based approach that ignores race, religion etc.
  - goku12 3y ago
    > DEI is a racist agenda that endangers us all. The argument so far has shown how fallacious and unsubstantiated this claim is. The irony in this case is that the exact opposite applies. > It should be discarded for a merit based approach that ignores race, religion etc. This so called 'merit' is a distraction meant to hide 'privilege'. There is no merit unless privilege gap is addressed first. If you think DEI hiring counts as privilege, then you haven't seen or recognized systematic discrimination, racist mistreatment and outright kakistocracy. It's like a trained and well-armed soldier asking a farmer for a fair duel over who gets to keep the harvests- there is nothing fair about it. My original reply had nothing do with race, but you managed to drag it into it for no good reason. The only reason I responded is because I didn't want to lend credence to such crude ideas with my silence. Unless you have any reasonable evidence to suggest that DEI hires are in any way responsible for these mishaps, I'm going to assume that have nothing more to say other than a one-sided diatribe against the challenge to your privileges.
    - mikrotikker 3y ago
      > The argument so far has shown how fallacious and unsubstantiated this claim is. The irony in this case is that the exact opposite applies. Once you get out of the wacky humanities courses and into the real world this argument falls apart. Look at the aforementioned UA incident. > This so called 'merit' is a distraction meant to hide 'privilege' We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. > My original reply had nothing do with race, but you managed to drag it into it for no good reason Race is but one component of DEI and the easiest to reach for. > I'm going to assume that have nothing more to say other than a one-sided diatribe against the challenge to your privileges. Yes safe landings and safe air travel is a privilege and DEI is a challenge to that. What's more it is but a single industry where public safety and product quality is being sacrificed for the religious dogma of DEI. Its a funny coincidence DEI is Latin for god, but fitting none the less.
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goku12 3y ago

So you're 'extrapolating' an unrelated incident in a different company to target DEI initiatives at Boeing? If you remember the MCAS saga, you'll note that rot occurred at the exceedingly white executive level while the company was trying to pin the blame on foreign pilots. This is even supported by voice clips and email transcripts. Some of those were outright arrogant. It clearly shows a pattern consistent with profiteering work culture and nothing related to any race. In fact, this is one pattern I've seen with such racist dog whistles - blame the marginalized groups and target DEI measures without any good justification to save the image of the privileged. It propagates the sinister implication that an employee is definitely bad if they are a DEI hire. We're talking about a dangerous situation again with the potential to cause loss of life. It warrants serious contemplation as it might affect us some day. The fact that some people will hijack the discussion to advance their racist agenda is beyond disgusting.

mikrotikker 3y ago
DEI is a racist agenda that endangers us all. It should be discarded for a merit based approach that ignores race, religion etc.
- goku12 3y ago
  > DEI is a racist agenda that endangers us all. The argument so far has shown how fallacious and unsubstantiated this claim is. The irony in this case is that the exact opposite applies. > It should be discarded for a merit based approach that ignores race, religion etc. This so called 'merit' is a distraction meant to hide 'privilege'. There is no merit unless privilege gap is addressed first. If you think DEI hiring counts as privilege, then you haven't seen or recognized systematic discrimination, racist mistreatment and outright kakistocracy. It's like a trained and well-armed soldier asking a farmer for a fair duel over who gets to keep the harvests- there is nothing fair about it. My original reply had nothing do with race, but you managed to drag it into it for no good reason. The only reason I responded is because I didn't want to lend credence to such crude ideas with my silence. Unless you have any reasonable evidence to suggest that DEI hires are in any way responsible for these mishaps, I'm going to assume that have nothing more to say other than a one-sided diatribe against the challenge to your privileges.
  - mikrotikker 3y ago
    > The argument so far has shown how fallacious and unsubstantiated this claim is. The irony in this case is that the exact opposite applies. Once you get out of the wacky humanities courses and into the real world this argument falls apart. Look at the aforementioned UA incident. > This so called 'merit' is a distraction meant to hide 'privilege' We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. > My original reply had nothing do with race, but you managed to drag it into it for no good reason Race is but one component of DEI and the easiest to reach for. > I'm going to assume that have nothing more to say other than a one-sided diatribe against the challenge to your privileges. Yes safe landings and safe air travel is a privilege and DEI is a challenge to that. What's more it is but a single industry where public safety and product quality is being sacrificed for the religious dogma of DEI. Its a funny coincidence DEI is Latin for god, but fitting none the less.
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