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I first blame firstly parenting. People give their child an iPad and walk away. I second blame introductions to education as a toddler. When you are a toddler

I first blame firstly parenting. People give their child an iPad and walk away. I second blame introductions to education as a toddler. When you are a toddler and inspired to learn you grow and don't stop. I third blame the use of social and personal ideals over community and connectivity. I fourth blame the lack of independence given to a child to make mistakes and learn. I fifth blame the lack of analogue input in a child's life. Interacting with physical objects can not be replaced with pads a person swipes on. I sixth blame short form media. It is addicting way to consume information. It is also unfortunately a very unproductive way to consume information. I seventh blame the lack of censorship information has on the web to dictate whether or not something provided is informative or brain mush. Like the difference between Smarter Every Day vs some stuff Logan Paul posts. I am not opposed to free speech but it is obvious that giving youth the ability to listen to factually incorrect people is bad. I eighth blame social media it isn't as bad as the rest. It used be terrible, however parental controls in place very safe.

weatherlite 3y ago
> I first blame firstly parenting. People give their child an iPad and walk away. were parents any better 50 years ago? There were no ipads but fathers were much less involved in child rearing. Also - beating up kids was routine. > I second blame introductions to education as a toddler. When you are a toddler and inspired to learn you grow and don't stop. Again , what changed since 2008? Why is this worse now?
- arkey 3y ago
  > Again , what changed since 2008? Why is this worse now? Because of 16 more years of a downwards trend. > were parents any better 50 years ago? Probably not, but they didn't have iPads to give. They were probably as bad as now, but maybe pointing to better or higher standards. Since we're using generalisations here, I'd risk saying that generally speaking (in my view of South-Western Europe), a few decades ago it was less possible/socially accepted to become a 30-year-old useless bum. Nowadays I'm no longer surprised about having a conversation with a 20-something-year-old and finding out he doesn't quite understand the idea of the need to work in order to survive, let alone provide. Of course, these are generalisations, but I'm afraid they are increasingly becoming indicatives of how things are.
  - Sparkyte 3y ago
    Pretty much this.
- dbish 3y ago
  Better in the sense that you didn’t learn to just passively consume from a screen and learned to be independent. I’m not convinced that parents becoming involved to the extent they are is actually a net positive. Kids don’t learn to be on their own, to think without a computer or their parents, and have every minute of their day mapped out.
  - iamthirsty 3y ago
    > Kids don’t learn to be on their own, to think without a computer or their parents, and have every minute of their day mapped out. I get what point you're trying to make, but while (especially) the lack of a father seems logically good for independence, overall the increase of absent fathers has had disastrous effects.
    - dbish 3y ago
      I definitely think kids need fathers around (I am a father myself and still debating the level of involvement that is useful or not). I’m just talking about the somewhat unavailable father of the 50s vs. parents of today who flip flop between micromanaging and having their kid stare at a video of Ms.Rachel instead of letting them have downtime and play on their own outside of a very protected area, not sure which is really worse developmentally
- Sparkyte 3y ago
  Takes 10 years for a generation. Sorry for the slow response. The trickle effect isn't immediate.

weatherlite 3y ago

> I first blame firstly parenting. People give their child an iPad and walk away. were parents any better 50 years ago? There were no ipads but fathers were much less involved in child rearing. Also - beating up kids was routine. > I second blame introductions to education as a toddler. When you are a toddler and inspired to learn you grow and don't stop. Again , what changed since 2008? Why is this worse now?

arkey 3y ago
> Again , what changed since 2008? Why is this worse now? Because of 16 more years of a downwards trend. > were parents any better 50 years ago? Probably not, but they didn't have iPads to give. They were probably as bad as now, but maybe pointing to better or higher standards. Since we're using generalisations here, I'd risk saying that generally speaking (in my view of South-Western Europe), a few decades ago it was less possible/socially accepted to become a 30-year-old useless bum. Nowadays I'm no longer surprised about having a conversation with a 20-something-year-old and finding out he doesn't quite understand the idea of the need to work in order to survive, let alone provide. Of course, these are generalisations, but I'm afraid they are increasingly becoming indicatives of how things are.
- Sparkyte 3y ago
  Pretty much this.
dbish 3y ago
Better in the sense that you didn’t learn to just passively consume from a screen and learned to be independent. I’m not convinced that parents becoming involved to the extent they are is actually a net positive. Kids don’t learn to be on their own, to think without a computer or their parents, and have every minute of their day mapped out.
- iamthirsty 3y ago
  > Kids don’t learn to be on their own, to think without a computer or their parents, and have every minute of their day mapped out. I get what point you're trying to make, but while (especially) the lack of a father seems logically good for independence, overall the increase of absent fathers has had disastrous effects.
  - dbish 3y ago
    I definitely think kids need fathers around (I am a father myself and still debating the level of involvement that is useful or not). I’m just talking about the somewhat unavailable father of the 50s vs. parents of today who flip flop between micromanaging and having their kid stare at a video of Ms.Rachel instead of letting them have downtime and play on their own outside of a very protected area, not sure which is really worse developmentally
Sparkyte 3y ago
Takes 10 years for a generation. Sorry for the slow response. The trickle effect isn't immediate.