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> There are no equivalents of function calls. All events happen is the same space and there is always a likelihood of interference. Proof that code with all fu

by thih9 3y ago

> There are no equivalents of function calls. All events happen is the same space and there is always a likelihood of interference. Proof that code with all functions inlined, with only global variables, with bugs and happy accidents all over the place, eventually gains sentience and becomes self aware.

echelon 3y ago
Signal transduction is async amplification. And those pathways can branch. Close enough.
visarga 3y ago
Evolution is a wonderful algorithm - open ended, and yet in a single run it created all life, including human culture and technology.
- Daub 3y ago
  What I find fascinating about evolution is that it is entirely un-intentional. There is no-one/nothing directing it yet its outcome presents (and can be discussed as) a design.
  - bmartin13 3y ago
    How would you know if a higher dimensional being was directing it? We can't easily detect something outside our current physical dimensions. We know that for our math to work there have to be a number of higher dimensions. I think it's more logical to believe this came from something instead of from nothing.
  - visarga 3y ago
    There is an imperative force internal to evolution - self replication. Information must propagate (replicate) from the past into the future. But this leads to competition for resources, and hence drives evolution.
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  Single run?
debesyla 3y ago
Maybe that's the true way how to create an AGI...
- pezo1919 3y ago
  We are the AGI :)
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curiousParty 3y ago
This isn't proof. Its wishful thinking. We don't yet understand the data structure of DNA fully, we don't know how a chemical storage system that is inherantly inert and relies on nanomachines (that it itself is responsible for providing the code for creating) to be useful even exists, let alone how it was made. How many happy accidents would it take to create cloudflare? This is overwhelmingly more complex than cloudflare and yet it works, and not only works robustly, but with exquisite UX.
- thih9 3y ago
  Looks like we understand it enough to say it's all a big ball of mud[1], at least based on that SO comment. Or are you saying that the comment is wrong? And yes, the effect is more complex than cloudflare. Then again, it is a ~6Gb (~0.85GB) executable blob[2]; this doesn't include the training sets and it took a bit to get there. Who knows, if cloudflare spent 4.5 billion years and a whole planet of resources on their next version, the result might have exquisite UX too (plus an ability to write tangental HN comments, and many more). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pattern#Big_ball_of_mud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pattern#Big_ball_of_mud [2]: "In humans, the total female diploid nuclear genome per cell extends for 6.37 Gigabase pairs (Gbp)", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA#Amount https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA#Amount

by thih9 3y ago

echelon 3y ago

Signal transduction is async amplification. And those pathways can branch. Close enough.

visarga 3y ago

Evolution is a wonderful algorithm - open ended, and yet in a single run it created all life, including human culture and technology.

Daub 3y ago
What I find fascinating about evolution is that it is entirely un-intentional. There is no-one/nothing directing it yet its outcome presents (and can be discussed as) a design.
- bmartin13 3y ago
  How would you know if a higher dimensional being was directing it? We can't easily detect something outside our current physical dimensions. We know that for our math to work there have to be a number of higher dimensions. I think it's more logical to believe this came from something instead of from nothing.
- visarga 3y ago
  There is an imperative force internal to evolution - self replication. Information must propagate (replicate) from the past into the future. But this leads to competition for resources, and hence drives evolution.
quickthrower2 3y ago
Single run?

debesyla 3y ago

Maybe that's the true way how to create an AGI...

pezo1919 3y ago
We are the AGI :)

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curiousParty 3y ago

This isn't proof. Its wishful thinking. We don't yet understand the data structure of DNA fully, we don't know how a chemical storage system that is inherantly inert and relies on nanomachines (that it itself is responsible for providing the code for creating) to be useful even exists, let alone how it was made. How many happy accidents would it take to create cloudflare? This is overwhelmingly more complex than cloudflare and yet it works, and not only works robustly, but with exquisite UX.

thih9 3y ago
Looks like we understand it enough to say it's all a big ball of mud[1], at least based on that SO comment. Or are you saying that the comment is wrong? And yes, the effect is more complex than cloudflare. Then again, it is a ~6Gb (~0.85GB) executable blob[2]; this doesn't include the training sets and it took a bit to get there. Who knows, if cloudflare spent 4.5 billion years and a whole planet of resources on their next version, the result might have exquisite UX too (plus an ability to write tangental HN comments, and many more). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pattern#Big_ball_of_mud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pattern#Big_ball_of_mud [2]: "In humans, the total female diploid nuclear genome per cell extends for 6.37 Gigabase pairs (Gbp)", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA#Amount https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA#Amount