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Most of the West lost its traditional values. If there are no values to build upon, if you have no reference, if everything and everyone is the same, if right a

Most of the West lost its traditional values. If there are no values to build upon, if you have no reference, if everything and everyone is the same, if right and wrong, good and evil are confused, if you have no compass, then it's very easy to get lost and become mentally ill.

mglz 3y ago
What are those values precisely?
- arkey 3y ago
  I'd say marriage and family just to begin with.
  - bedobi 3y ago
    lol, ok, never mind all the countless people those "values" drove their childhoods, adolescence and lives into the ground or worse
    - arkey 3y ago
      lol, ok, never mind all the countless people the absence of these "values" are driving their childhoods, adolescence and lives into the ground or worse edit: Right, sorry, that was quite a reactive response on my side. I'll try to be constructive and foster conversation instead of just resorting to sarcasm: what's your point? are you seriously implying marriage and family are overall negative values?
      - bedobi 3y ago
        words like "marriage" and "family" when wielded like this are effectively clubs and weasel words meant to induce an image of something akin to 50's propaganda posters of the happy american family living out their american dream, and imply that the people pointing out that's problematic are just being cynical nitpicky amoral misanthropes when really it's the people wielding them in this manner who are very selective about what people they mean to include, and very disingenuous about the many people they deliberately do not mean to include (and just their general agenda)
        arkey 3y ago
        i understand you might perceive bad or hidden intentions, and i agree there's plenty of that around, but in this particular case, for myself, i'm just trying to communicate that i think marriage and family are good values that have been unfortunately very distorted and corrupted, and this having overall negative outcomes for society in general. and definitely, most definitely no need to include or limit this to anything "american" whatsoever.
  - crimsoneer 3y ago
    The decay of marriage happened long before 2010. This has nothing to do with values.
    - arkey 3y ago
      Marriage has everything to do with values. And as the initial comment is saying, if you replace values with... lack of them? then you get confusion.
ativzzz 3y ago
Define "traditional" - do you mean USA in the 50s? What is traditional and what isn't changes with each generation - particularly in the western world and the USA, which are both on the forefronts of technological, intellectual, cultural and philosophical changes in the past 200-300 years. The USA in particular, changes pretty radically with every generation as a different group of immigrants comes and changes the culture

mglz 3y ago

What are those values precisely?

arkey 3y ago
I'd say marriage and family just to begin with.
- bedobi 3y ago
  lol, ok, never mind all the countless people those "values" drove their childhoods, adolescence and lives into the ground or worse
  - arkey 3y ago
    lol, ok, never mind all the countless people the absence of these "values" are driving their childhoods, adolescence and lives into the ground or worse edit: Right, sorry, that was quite a reactive response on my side. I'll try to be constructive and foster conversation instead of just resorting to sarcasm: what's your point? are you seriously implying marriage and family are overall negative values?
    - bedobi 3y ago
      words like "marriage" and "family" when wielded like this are effectively clubs and weasel words meant to induce an image of something akin to 50's propaganda posters of the happy american family living out their american dream, and imply that the people pointing out that's problematic are just being cynical nitpicky amoral misanthropes when really it's the people wielding them in this manner who are very selective about what people they mean to include, and very disingenuous about the many people they deliberately do not mean to include (and just their general agenda)
      - arkey 3y ago
        i understand you might perceive bad or hidden intentions, and i agree there's plenty of that around, but in this particular case, for myself, i'm just trying to communicate that i think marriage and family are good values that have been unfortunately very distorted and corrupted, and this having overall negative outcomes for society in general. and definitely, most definitely no need to include or limit this to anything "american" whatsoever.
- crimsoneer 3y ago
  The decay of marriage happened long before 2010. This has nothing to do with values.
  - arkey 3y ago
    Marriage has everything to do with values. And as the initial comment is saying, if you replace values with... lack of them? then you get confusion.

ativzzz 3y ago

Define "traditional" - do you mean USA in the 50s? What is traditional and what isn't changes with each generation - particularly in the western world and the USA, which are both on the forefronts of technological, intellectual, cultural and philosophical changes in the past 200-300 years. The USA in particular, changes pretty radically with every generation as a different group of immigrants comes and changes the culture