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I feel like free peering is a thing of the past. Verizon/Comcast killed it by forcing people to pay for peering relations about a decade ago.

by genmud 3y ago

msie 3y ago
How much of charging for network traffic profit? I imagine a lot.
xwolfi 3y ago
Verizon/Comcast don't even exist here, and I live between India and China, almost half of humanity. Are you talking in hyper-local terms ? Peering exist everywhere, and at scale you have to pay, yes.
bombcar 3y ago
Free peering always was just "Hey, I have 10GB of transit to push to you, and you have about the same, let's keep the beancounters out of this." As consumer Internet grew, that became more and more unstable, until Netflix hit and just absolutely overwhelmed it.
- mnky9800n 3y ago
  In my experience it's typically a good idea to keep the bean counters out of things. Recently buying computing hardware I selected an American provider for my eu based lab. After paying the invoices the bean counters then asked if I could get the money back because they didn't want to pay VAT. I said feel free to ask for the money back yourself I'm happy with the purchase that you already approved. They refused and kept going up the chain until the director said just pay the VAT. after countless emails, meetings, and other time wasting activities, VAT ended up being 8 euros. Bean counters create drama to justify their bean counting. I'm sure there are good reasons for them. But they are often simply in the way.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Entire industries exist to bypass the bean counters. Arguably much of SaaS just is that. But you can make a comfortable living as a small VAR by just buying product and charging more to companies for it in the way their bean counters like to see it. $1000 item with $8 VAT line item? Unacceptable. $2000 same item with no VAT? Perfectly cromulent.
    - jamesfinlayson 3y ago
      > Arguably much of SaaS just is that. Yep - at a previous job I think there was some expensive tool that would never have been approved, but someone decided to buy it from AWS Marketplace instead where it was just a rounding error in the total monthly AWS spend.
  - _w1tm 3y ago
    Bored engineers tend to over-engineer and build overly clever systems. I guess bean counters get bored too.

I feel like free peering is a thing of the past. Verizon/Comcast killed it by forcing people to pay for peering relations about a decade ago.

by genmud 3y ago

I feel like free peering is a thing of the past. Verizon/Comcast killed it by forcing people to pay for peering relations about a decade ago.

msie 3y ago

How much of charging for network traffic profit? I imagine a lot.

xwolfi 3y ago

Verizon/Comcast don't even exist here, and I live between India and China, almost half of humanity. Are you talking in hyper-local terms ? Peering exist everywhere, and at scale you have to pay, yes.

bombcar 3y ago

Free peering always was just "Hey, I have 10GB of transit to push to you, and you have about the same, let's keep the beancounters out of this." As consumer Internet grew, that became more and more unstable, until Netflix hit and just absolutely overwhelmed it.

mnky9800n 3y ago
In my experience it's typically a good idea to keep the bean counters out of things. Recently buying computing hardware I selected an American provider for my eu based lab. After paying the invoices the bean counters then asked if I could get the money back because they didn't want to pay VAT. I said feel free to ask for the money back yourself I'm happy with the purchase that you already approved. They refused and kept going up the chain until the director said just pay the VAT. after countless emails, meetings, and other time wasting activities, VAT ended up being 8 euros. Bean counters create drama to justify their bean counting. I'm sure there are good reasons for them. But they are often simply in the way.
- bombcar 3y ago
  Entire industries exist to bypass the bean counters. Arguably much of SaaS just is that. But you can make a comfortable living as a small VAR by just buying product and charging more to companies for it in the way their bean counters like to see it. $1000 item with $8 VAT line item? Unacceptable. $2000 same item with no VAT? Perfectly cromulent.
  - jamesfinlayson 3y ago
    > Arguably much of SaaS just is that. Yep - at a previous job I think there was some expensive tool that would never have been approved, but someone decided to buy it from AWS Marketplace instead where it was just a rounding error in the total monthly AWS spend.
- _w1tm 3y ago
  Bored engineers tend to over-engineer and build overly clever systems. I guess bean counters get bored too.