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For them, content is free.

kenhwang 3y ago
Sometimes bandwidth too if they have clever peer-to-peer setups.
hot_gril 3y ago
I still don't get how so many 123movies clones can keep popping up with seemingly every TV show and movie there, with probably nearly all users using ad-blockers and very few possible advertisers in the first place. They get taken down regularly then presumably deal with the effort of moving elsewhere. They don't seem to be p2p either, they have some server. Maybe it's stolen infra.
- autoexec 3y ago
  A lot of the pirate streaming services I see are either using torrents on the backend or they're abusing normal video hosting services and just replacing links that get taken down so that when the sites/apps themselves die they only need a new domain/app to point at the the same files on those same services instead of moving TBs of files around
- wingworks 3y ago
  Most don't host the content themselves. They iframe or whatever other hosts.
- subtra3t 3y ago
  They embed other hosts, most of the websites usually use the same hosts but with different frontends slapped on top.
autoexec 3y ago
99% of the content is free for twitch and youtube too.
- bjclark 3y ago
  You’ve never heard of partnered twitch streamers or YouTube rev share?
  - autoexec 3y ago
    They might pay creators a fraction of what they make on ads or other extras (digital bullshit like emotes), but none of that is in exchange for the content. The content is still being developed, written, produced, performed, and provided to the platforms entirely for free. Unless there's some kind option where youtube or twitch signs a contract with select creators and then hands them huge sums of cash upfront for the costs of future content production, or to license the creator's existing content to distribute via youtube/twitch then the cost of getting that content is still just as free for youtube/twitch as it is for the pirate streamers that upload bluray rips. Ad revenue is money gained from advertisers at the expense of viewers, it's entirely separate from the cost of the content being viewed.
    - Jensson 3y ago
      > The content is still being developed, written, produced, performed, and provided to the platforms entirely for free. No, it is developed because the creator expects the platform to pay them for the views. Which the platforms does. Most big channels wouldn't exist without that money.
    - hackeman300 3y ago
      >Unless there's some kind option where youtube or twitch signs a contract with select creators and then hands them huge sums of cash upfront for the costs of future content production For the record this exact thing does exist for bigger streamers. See Ludwig for example, he switched to YouTube exclusively because it was a better deal than his twitch offer.
      - autoexec 3y ago
        I've seen paid exclusivity deals from youtube before (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/youtube-reportedly-paid-usd160m-for-activision-blizzard-esports-exclusivity https://www.gamesindustry.biz/youtube-reportedly-paid-usd160...) and while I'm surprised they paid a streamer like Ludwig to defect I'm pretty sure those kinds of deals don't exist for 99% of the content that gets uploaded to the platform.

Sometimes bandwidth too if they have clever peer-to-peer setups.

I still don't get how so many 123movies clones can keep popping up with seemingly every TV show and movie there, with probably nearly all users using ad-blockers and very few possible advertisers in the first place. They get taken down regularly then presumably deal with the effort of moving elsewhere. They don't seem to be p2p either, they have some server. Maybe it's stolen infra.

autoexec 3y ago
A lot of the pirate streaming services I see are either using torrents on the backend or they're abusing normal video hosting services and just replacing links that get taken down so that when the sites/apps themselves die they only need a new domain/app to point at the the same files on those same services instead of moving TBs of files around
wingworks 3y ago
Most don't host the content themselves. They iframe or whatever other hosts.
subtra3t 3y ago
They embed other hosts, most of the websites usually use the same hosts but with different frontends slapped on top.

autoexec 3y ago

99% of the content is free for twitch and youtube too.

bjclark 3y ago
You’ve never heard of partnered twitch streamers or YouTube rev share?
- autoexec 3y ago
  They might pay creators a fraction of what they make on ads or other extras (digital bullshit like emotes), but none of that is in exchange for the content. The content is still being developed, written, produced, performed, and provided to the platforms entirely for free. Unless there's some kind option where youtube or twitch signs a contract with select creators and then hands them huge sums of cash upfront for the costs of future content production, or to license the creator's existing content to distribute via youtube/twitch then the cost of getting that content is still just as free for youtube/twitch as it is for the pirate streamers that upload bluray rips. Ad revenue is money gained from advertisers at the expense of viewers, it's entirely separate from the cost of the content being viewed.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    > The content is still being developed, written, produced, performed, and provided to the platforms entirely for free. No, it is developed because the creator expects the platform to pay them for the views. Which the platforms does. Most big channels wouldn't exist without that money.
  - hackeman300 3y ago
    >Unless there's some kind option where youtube or twitch signs a contract with select creators and then hands them huge sums of cash upfront for the costs of future content production For the record this exact thing does exist for bigger streamers. See Ludwig for example, he switched to YouTube exclusively because it was a better deal than his twitch offer.
    - autoexec 3y ago
      I've seen paid exclusivity deals from youtube before (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/youtube-reportedly-paid-usd160m-for-activision-blizzard-esports-exclusivity https://www.gamesindustry.biz/youtube-reportedly-paid-usd160...) and while I'm surprised they paid a streamer like Ludwig to defect I'm pretty sure those kinds of deals don't exist for 99% of the content that gets uploaded to the platform.