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Apart from some edge cases, Western democracies have quite solid property rights upheld also by the judicial system. But yes if you’re in Russia or China then t

Apart from some edge cases, Western democracies have quite solid property rights upheld also by the judicial system. But yes if you’re in Russia or China then this argument is moot. They have much less property rights. However, Bitcoin is also not a solution because there is no point in owning Bitcoin if you fell trice out of a Russian window or are sentenced to a labour camp or to the death penalty in China for "fraudulus activities“. Difficult to spend your Bitcoin in both cases.

xvector 3y ago
I certainly wouldn't call being Canadian an "edge case." Protesting ought to be something you can do in any Western democracy without fear of losing access to your accounts.
- huijzer 3y ago
  I would hope that the judicial system fixes the government intervention. I haven’t heard of similar cases in Canada or other liberal democracies.
willcipriano 3y ago
Being a trucker in Canada is a edge case. Also being a human interacting with police in the US. Did you mean intellectual property? You draw Mickey a year ago and a FBI helicopter would soon be overhead to kill your dog and take any cash they find in your wallet.
- Freedom2 3y ago
  I drew Mickey quite a few times without any helicopter appearing. Do you have a source for that claim?
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- lokar 3y ago
  They were violating the law, and using the funds in the accounts to further the law breaking. They call it civil disobedience. People seem to forget part of civil disobedience is going to jail and paying a fine. That’s always been the deal.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    Civil disobedience carrying a negative of some kind for the protester is a significant part of my respect for people doing it. If it was entirely painless, it would have a lot less effect I think.
  - matthewrobertso 3y ago
    Unbanking someone isn't the same as charging them a fine.
  - tick_tock_tick 3y ago
    > People seem to forget part of civil disobedience is going to jail and paying a fine. That's not even vaguely what happened here and it's well beyond arguing in bad faith to attempt to trivialize it to such. The goal of freezing the accounts was to make the truckers unable to buy food or pay rent to force a near immediate end. If the civil disobedience starts being evictions and starving protests are going to become a thing of the past.
  - xvector 3y ago
    There is a massive difference between freezing someone's funds, and having them simply pay a fine
bluish29 3y ago
Not only Russian or Chinese, you should open the bracket for any individual, organization or country that the western democracies will deem bad in their view. Or even have the any doubt of association with them. For example we can talk to many Muslims in the UK where no banks will grant them accounts (close account without notice) and how safe they feel [1] Not that I am a crypto supporter, but the current western based financial system hegemony is good until you are have wrong name, religion, country... etc. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-08-16/british-muslims-say-banks-ruin-lives-with-debanking-policies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-08-16/british-m...

xvector 3y ago

I certainly wouldn't call being Canadian an "edge case." Protesting ought to be something you can do in any Western democracy without fear of losing access to your accounts.

huijzer 3y ago
I would hope that the judicial system fixes the government intervention. I haven’t heard of similar cases in Canada or other liberal democracies.

willcipriano 3y ago

Being a trucker in Canada is a edge case. Also being a human interacting with police in the US. Did you mean intellectual property? You draw Mickey a year ago and a FBI helicopter would soon be overhead to kill your dog and take any cash they find in your wallet.

Freedom2 3y ago
I drew Mickey quite a few times without any helicopter appearing. Do you have a source for that claim?
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lokar 3y ago
They were violating the law, and using the funds in the accounts to further the law breaking. They call it civil disobedience. People seem to forget part of civil disobedience is going to jail and paying a fine. That’s always been the deal.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  Civil disobedience carrying a negative of some kind for the protester is a significant part of my respect for people doing it. If it was entirely painless, it would have a lot less effect I think.
- matthewrobertso 3y ago
  Unbanking someone isn't the same as charging them a fine.
- tick_tock_tick 3y ago
  > People seem to forget part of civil disobedience is going to jail and paying a fine. That's not even vaguely what happened here and it's well beyond arguing in bad faith to attempt to trivialize it to such. The goal of freezing the accounts was to make the truckers unable to buy food or pay rent to force a near immediate end. If the civil disobedience starts being evictions and starving protests are going to become a thing of the past.
- xvector 3y ago
  There is a massive difference between freezing someone's funds, and having them simply pay a fine

bluish29 3y ago

Not only Russian or Chinese, you should open the bracket for any individual, organization or country that the western democracies will deem bad in their view. Or even have the any doubt of association with them. For example we can talk to many Muslims in the UK where no banks will grant them accounts (close account without notice) and how safe they feel [1] Not that I am a crypto supporter, but the current western based financial system hegemony is good until you are have wrong name, religion, country... etc. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-08-16/british-muslims-say-banks-ruin-lives-with-debanking-policies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-08-16/british-m...