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Does that matter? What did you think YouTube has in mind when they say "realistically simulate"? Sometimes you can see a trend coming early on, and isn't YouTub

Does that matter? What did you think YouTube has in mind when they say "realistically simulate"? Sometimes you can see a trend coming early on, and isn't YouTube responding to what people will probably do in the future?

gspencley 3y ago
> I think it's something about recreating a likeness of a victim. I'm pretty sure that's what the person you are replying to was commenting on. If you're just continuing the discussion and talking about whether or not the policy is a good move on YouTube's part, fair enough. But it kind of reads like you're shifting the goal post. My opinion is that I'm honestly not sure if it "matters" or not. YouTube has every right to make their content policies according to whatever drives them, be it business forces or their own values. As an adult consumer of YouTube I would personally prefer if there were a "as long as it is legal" policy, but I get why YouTube may have reasons to adopt different policies and it's not up to me. I recognize their right to do what they think is best with their business and product.
- bitshiftfaced 3y ago
  The discussion, as I understood it, was about contrasting dramatic reenactments using actors with using digital recreations (i.e. "what makes these two techniques different?"). danbruc was talking about how the digital recreation in the news recently was inaccurate. I was questioning if that mattered, since I wasn't so much contrasting paid actors with that specific case but instead with what new technology now allows and what YouTube is probably trying to prevent with their policy.
  - danbruc 3y ago
    I was specifically replying to the following part. A paid actor may look similar to a victim, but not exactly. Their image will evoke a totally different emotion from the victim's friends and family. In that specific case the digital recreation - if you can even call it that - was quite off and far from depicting what the real victim looked like. It would certainly have been possible to do an reenactment which more closely matched what the actual victim looked like. Therefore I think any argument along the lines that an exact digital recreation might evoke feelings that a reenactment could not does - at least in this specific case - not apply. Otherwise I have really no opinion on the entire matter. Putting children into an oven is certainly in the range of things that you could find in horror movies. Context of course matters and also the presentation and intention and target audience, but I just do not know anything besides skimming three articles about this phenomenon to properly judge this.
    - kragen 3y ago
      > Putting children into an oven is certainly in the range of things that you could find in horror movies or for that matter popular children's fairy tales
      - dotancohen 3y ago
        I hate to say this, but just three months ago children that I knew were burned alive. And a baby was found burned in an oven, apparently stuffed in there such that the heating element mark was visible on its body. These things happen not only in horror movies. They happen today, in real life.
        kragen 3y ago
        i'm sorry to hear that, and i am well aware that they happen today in real life, but what we were discussing in this subthread is not to what extent they are real, but rather to what extent fictional depiction of them is seen as socially acceptable

gspencley 3y ago

> I think it's something about recreating a likeness of a victim. I'm pretty sure that's what the person you are replying to was commenting on. If you're just continuing the discussion and talking about whether or not the policy is a good move on YouTube's part, fair enough. But it kind of reads like you're shifting the goal post. My opinion is that I'm honestly not sure if it "matters" or not. YouTube has every right to make their content policies according to whatever drives them, be it business forces or their own values. As an adult consumer of YouTube I would personally prefer if there were a "as long as it is legal" policy, but I get why YouTube may have reasons to adopt different policies and it's not up to me. I recognize their right to do what they think is best with their business and product.

bitshiftfaced 3y ago
The discussion, as I understood it, was about contrasting dramatic reenactments using actors with using digital recreations (i.e. "what makes these two techniques different?"). danbruc was talking about how the digital recreation in the news recently was inaccurate. I was questioning if that mattered, since I wasn't so much contrasting paid actors with that specific case but instead with what new technology now allows and what YouTube is probably trying to prevent with their policy.
- danbruc 3y ago
  I was specifically replying to the following part. A paid actor may look similar to a victim, but not exactly. Their image will evoke a totally different emotion from the victim's friends and family. In that specific case the digital recreation - if you can even call it that - was quite off and far from depicting what the real victim looked like. It would certainly have been possible to do an reenactment which more closely matched what the actual victim looked like. Therefore I think any argument along the lines that an exact digital recreation might evoke feelings that a reenactment could not does - at least in this specific case - not apply. Otherwise I have really no opinion on the entire matter. Putting children into an oven is certainly in the range of things that you could find in horror movies. Context of course matters and also the presentation and intention and target audience, but I just do not know anything besides skimming three articles about this phenomenon to properly judge this.
  - kragen 3y ago
    > Putting children into an oven is certainly in the range of things that you could find in horror movies or for that matter popular children's fairy tales
    - dotancohen 3y ago
      I hate to say this, but just three months ago children that I knew were burned alive. And a baby was found burned in an oven, apparently stuffed in there such that the heating element mark was visible on its body. These things happen not only in horror movies. They happen today, in real life.
      - kragen 3y ago
        i'm sorry to hear that, and i am well aware that they happen today in real life, but what we were discussing in this subthread is not to what extent they are real, but rather to what extent fictional depiction of them is seen as socially acceptable