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> Boeing was rightly blamed for misleading everyone about the nature of the MAX8 Pilots I am personally friends with who fly for American, Southwest, and Unite

> Boeing was rightly blamed for misleading everyone about the nature of the MAX8 Pilots I am personally friends with who fly for American, Southwest, and United, disagree. They feel they were fully prepped for the differences in the airframe from their first flight on it, pre-crashes, and have said that they blame the carriers that crashed for not prepping their pilots the same. It's entirely possible that I missed some news, but I'm unfamiliar with the FAA or anyone else actually accusing Boeing of intentionally misleading or releasing incorrect information? My analogy to to Japan, while poor, was just meant to illustrate that we should be very clear about the true causes of things. "Boeing lied" is a very different problem than "Boeing squeezed a new system in, advised that pilots should be trained, and airlines didn't perform enough training". But yes, I agree that we should be wondering what's up, specifically with Boeing's assembly/QA processes...

ibejoeb 3y ago
You missed the whole fiasco. Boeing intentionally deceived everyone involved, from the FAA engineers certifying the MAX to the pilots that were told that they were equipped to fly them. Boeing noticed that the thing didn't fly like a 737, so they made some software to change its flight characteristics to be more like a 737. They failed to disclose this, and when it "activated" in 2018, a plane crashed. This is when FAA learned about it. Then another one crashed because of the same thing only a few months later. The DOJ made a criminal complaint against Boeing, resulting in a deferred prosecution agreement and a $2.5 billion penalty. MAX was grounded for years. > They feel they were fully prepped for the differences in the airframe Your pilot friends are either wrong or they had inside information and probably should have blown the whistle. Realistically, they probably actually did feel prepared. This is the crux of the criminal fraud action.

ibejoeb 3y ago

You missed the whole fiasco. Boeing intentionally deceived everyone involved, from the FAA engineers certifying the MAX to the pilots that were told that they were equipped to fly them. Boeing noticed that the thing didn't fly like a 737, so they made some software to change its flight characteristics to be more like a 737. They failed to disclose this, and when it "activated" in 2018, a plane crashed. This is when FAA learned about it. Then another one crashed because of the same thing only a few months later. The DOJ made a criminal complaint against Boeing, resulting in a deferred prosecution agreement and a $2.5 billion penalty. MAX was grounded for years. > They feel they were fully prepped for the differences in the airframe Your pilot friends are either wrong or they had inside information and probably should have blown the whistle. Realistically, they probably actually did feel prepared. This is the crux of the criminal fraud action.