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What choice do they have? If they switch to Airbus they’re going to be waiting until at least 2030. They could buy used but that’s goes against why airlines are

What choice do they have? If they switch to Airbus they’re going to be waiting until at least 2030. They could buy used but that’s goes against why airlines are ordering new planes to begin with. And that’s not factoring in the maintenance cost in switching manufacturers. Thats why you’ll see airlines be a Boeing or Airbus only fleet.

datadeft 3y ago
Do you think it is better to buy a plane that potentially going to be grounded than wait?
- pknomad 3y ago
  I'm not saying I support how the 737 MAX program was executed but at least you have a plane that is potentially flying versus not having one at all.
- pc86 3y ago
  Yes, because you get revenue from a plane that is "potentially" going to be grounded, and you don't get anything from sitting around.
  - datadeft 3y ago
    Makes sense!
  - crazytony 3y ago
    and the manufacturer can be held liable for lost revenue so even if the AC is grounded, you can get some $$$
crazytony 3y ago
The counter point to operating one type is on display here: if the regulator grounds the type, your whole airline is stuck. The only thing that eliminates/highlights issues is time. The 320 and 220 are faced with major engine issues and groundings due to looks at notes not QAing the metal powder used in the sintering process for over 8 years.
- mulmen 3y ago
  Except Alaska is an all Boeing 737 airline and they are still operating. Only some of the planes are grounded.
- panick21_ 3y ago
  There have been basically no engine development program ever that had no reliability issues. The big problem is the maintenance backlog. The A320 NEO btw has more then 1 engine option.
Fischgericht 3y ago
I have seen this 2030 number posted a couple of times now. Is this validated information? Is it really such a long wait to get an airplane from Airbus?
- hef19898 3y ago
  Yes, their order book for the A320Neo is that full. As is Boeings for the 737 if I remember correctly. One can always pay more and hope someone else is cancelling so, this approach ain't working at scale so. And in the case of Airbus, that is based on a delivery rate of around 60 aircraft, single aisle only, per month already.
speed_spread 3y ago
They could buy the excellent Bombardier C-Series instead. Oh, wait it had to be sold to Airbus after Boeing killed it by lobbying for 300% US import tariffs on it (it's now become the Airbus A220). _Fuck_ the new Boeing.

datadeft 3y ago

Do you think it is better to buy a plane that potentially going to be grounded than wait?

pknomad 3y ago
I'm not saying I support how the 737 MAX program was executed but at least you have a plane that is potentially flying versus not having one at all.
pc86 3y ago
Yes, because you get revenue from a plane that is "potentially" going to be grounded, and you don't get anything from sitting around.
- datadeft 3y ago
  Makes sense!
- crazytony 3y ago
  and the manufacturer can be held liable for lost revenue so even if the AC is grounded, you can get some $$$

crazytony 3y ago

The counter point to operating one type is on display here: if the regulator grounds the type, your whole airline is stuck. The only thing that eliminates/highlights issues is time. The 320 and 220 are faced with major engine issues and groundings due to looks at notes not QAing the metal powder used in the sintering process for over 8 years.

mulmen 3y ago
Except Alaska is an all Boeing 737 airline and they are still operating. Only some of the planes are grounded.
panick21_ 3y ago
There have been basically no engine development program ever that had no reliability issues. The big problem is the maintenance backlog. The A320 NEO btw has more then 1 engine option.

Fischgericht 3y ago

I have seen this 2030 number posted a couple of times now. Is this validated information? Is it really such a long wait to get an airplane from Airbus?

hef19898 3y ago
Yes, their order book for the A320Neo is that full. As is Boeings for the 737 if I remember correctly. One can always pay more and hope someone else is cancelling so, this approach ain't working at scale so. And in the case of Airbus, that is based on a delivery rate of around 60 aircraft, single aisle only, per month already.

speed_spread 3y ago

They could buy the excellent Bombardier C-Series instead. Oh, wait it had to be sold to Airbus after Boeing killed it by lobbying for 300% US import tariffs on it (it's now become the Airbus A220). _Fuck_ the new Boeing.