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What do you mean by dumb. Is having timer too smart for you and you want to manually turn it off or change modes? I have never seen washing machine any washing

What do you mean by dumb. Is having timer too smart for you and you want to manually turn it off or change modes? I have never seen washing machine any washing machine smarter than that. Even for the washing machines that label themselves as smart, it just sounds like a marketing term[1] and there is nothing smart about it. [1]: https://www.samsung.com/us/home-appliances/washers/front-load/4-5-cu-ft-front-load-washer-with-vibration-reduction-technology-plus-in-white-wf45t6000aw-a5/ https://www.samsung.com/us/home-appliances/washers/front-loa...

anamexis 3y ago
Well you haven't been looking too closely then, because there are a ton of washing machines on the market that are WiFi-enabled and have apps.
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  There must be for sure, but I opened bestbuy and I can't find any on the first page[1]. There are always some buyer who are attracted by technical terms so there is some market for those. [1]: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/washers-dryers/washers-washing-machines/abcat0910001.c?id=abcat0910001 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/washers-dryers/washers-washing-...
  - wlesieutre 3y ago
    Maybe we're getting different lists, the 5th one down for me is a Samsung with WiFi https://www.bestbuy.com/site/6416171.p?skuId=6416171 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/6416171.p?skuId=6416171
    - YetAnotherNick 3y ago
      Where does it say that it has wifi? Smart is just a marketing term here.
      - mikeyouse 3y ago
        It's definitely not just a marketing term.. If you follow the specs on that model - you'll see a, "Wireless Connectivity: Wi-Fi" If you go to the product page on Samsung.com (https://www.samsung.com/us/home-appliances/washers/front-load/4-5-cu-ft-front-load-washer-with-vibration-reduction-technology-plus-in-white-wf45t6000aw-a5/ https://www.samsung.com/us/home-appliances/washers/front-loa...) "Smart Care - Easy troubleshooting from the convenience of your smartphone.* Smart Care interacts with your washer and dryer to perform an immediate diagnosis and offer quick solutions." "* Requires Samsung Smart Washer/Dryer App. The Samsung Smart Washer/Dryer App supports Android OS 2.3.6 or later and iOS 3 or later for iPhone models. Samsung Smart Washer/Dryer App available in App Store and Play Store."
        YetAnotherNick 3y ago
        There is no "Wireless Connectivity: Wi-Fi" in specs at least in samsung's site. It does display the troubleshooting which seems something like QR for machine status, which I really doubt it will troubleshoot anything and it is just there for false assurance.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        Yes, there is. On your link: https://imgur.com/a/O1zBuJW https://imgur.com/a/O1zBuJW
      - wlesieutre 3y ago
        You may be right, Best Buy says it has WiFi but it isn't mentioned in the manual. Still, a bit further down the results this LG definitely does: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/6419621.p?skuId=6419621 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/6419621.p?skuId=6419621
nwsm 3y ago
If your appliance has a network stack it's no longer dumb. Most major appliance brands are now selling wifi-enabled dishwashers with companion smartphone apps.
wing-_-nuts 3y ago
My washer and drier have mechanical 'egg timer' spring wound timers. I prefer something like that. Hell, I remember my microwave in college simply had two nobs, one for time, and one for power, and it was perfect. If I could find a high power 1200W version of that microwave I'd buy it today.
- greenpresident 3y ago
  Buy something (semi-)professional like the Panasonic NE 1840. There should be smaller, cheaper variants. The NE 1027 EYG will most likely work for home use. Commercial appliances are made to last and then be repaired.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    Panasonic NE 1840 first link i hit -- price was €3.552,56 Incl. BTW meanwhile the local best buy is selling one on sale for $95 CAD. i'm all for simpler, knobs, etc., but that's a non-starter, and if i'm dropping $2000 on an appliance its going to be an espresso machine
- nicholasjarnold 3y ago
  Commercial Chef makes a 600W model (CHM660B) with exactly this configuration. Not what you're looking for exactly, given the power, but maybe helpful to others who share your sentiment.
neogodless 3y ago
First item on that link for me: > Easy troubleshooting from the convenience of your smartphone. You're going to argue it doesn't have network connectivity and circuitry?
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  It doesn't have network connectivity. And most of the time, it doesn't have additional circuitry which would cost the manufacturer money. Instead it's just a software gimmick to show status via app using something like qr of washing machine status. It's purpose is to save status light which were part of older models and it costed them money. It is just more smart marketed version which is dumb product overall.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Yes, it does. Click the "See all specs" button. Wi-Fi Connectivity: Yes https://imgur.com/a/O1zBuJW https://imgur.com/a/O1zBuJW
    - neogodless 3y ago
      Ha yeah I even replied to the wrong comment and accidentally replied to one that.. yup has WiFi and an app for it.
louthy 3y ago
My Miele Washer/Dryer [1] has plenty of ‘smart’ features (which I consider to be more than just network connectivity - it’s also computer enabled features, rather than simple mechanical operations IMHO): * Touchscreen or app control * Notifies me thru the app when a wash/dry is complete (my appliance is in a utility room, so this is really useful) * Predicts when it will finish (and showing the time and which stage it’s on in the app) * Monitors its own progress and will inform me if it needs more time (like if the drying needs longer due to increased load size) * Allows pausing a wash so other items can be added * Has detergent dispensers that are monitored and lets me know when they’re low. It also works out the right amount of detergent to use based on size of load and other info you give it (see next item) * Has a ‘washing assistant’ which is like an ‘install wizard’ where I select the types of clothing in the drum, its level of soiling, whether I want it dried or not, and various other features - it takes all that and works out the correct programme for the items (I can do this from my phone too - which is actually more useful than it sounds!). * When the cycle is complete and it’s waiting for you to empty it, it goes into a ‘slow turn’ mode, where it just turns the clothing over every 5 seconds or so to stop creasing. * Notifies me when I should run the maintenance cycles to keep the machine clean * Notifies me when it needs a software update, which I can manage from my phone. Do you need all these things? Of course not, and I thought I’d never go for a smart appliance, but I am absolutely a convert. [1] https://www.miele.co.uk/product/11576550/wt1-washer-dryer-wtr860wpm-pwashandtdos-8-5kg-lotus-white https://www.miele.co.uk/product/11576550/wt1-washer-dryer-wt...
- tharkun__ 3y ago
  OK I'll bite. Touchscreen or app control Why does it need a touchscreen? Like cars, a physical knob and buttons are just fine. Why would I ever want to take out... Oh wait want to go back to another room to find my phone first... To then use the app to do what one or two turns of a knob and a button can do that are right in front of me the whole time? Notifies me thru the app when a wash/dry is complete (my appliance is in a utility room, so this is really useful) Fair enough if you can not actually hear it from where you are. Not happened to me ever even with being upstairs and the thing in the basement but fair. Predicts when it will finish (and showing the time and which stage it’s on in the app) Personally I couldn't care less about any of that information. Beep when it's done and even then I'll probably not go and do something about it right away since I'll be in the middle of a meeting anyway. Monitors its own progress and will inform me if it needs more time (like if the drying needs longer due to increased load size) Who cares? Don't tell me when you aren't done. While it's working it's working. Tell me when it's done. Also see above. Allows pausing a wash so other items can be added Which a button on the front can't do? Has detergent dispensers that are monitored and lets me know when they’re low. It also works out the right amount of detergent to use based on size of load and other info you give it (see next item) Fair enough. The notification should be an LED on the front though coz I need to be there to refill anyway and the new detergent is parked right next to it too. Also: How does it figure out that this is a heavy duty cycle of muddy rugby shirts? Has a ‘washing assistant’ which is like an ‘install wizard’ where I select the types of clothing in the drum, its level of soiling, whether I want it dried or not, and various other features - it takes all that and works out the correct programme for the items (I can do this from my phone too - which is actually more useful than it sounds!). Ah like that. Like turning the knob on "heavily soiled" instead of running me through a 17 step wizard? When the cycle is complete and it’s waiting for you to empty it, it goes into a ‘slow turn’ mode, where it just turns the clothing over every 5 seconds or so to stop creasing. Fair enough but what does have to do with the new "smart device craze"? Washers have had fuzzy logic (think one of the original machine learning algorithms - or in new fangled "AI") to make sure your washer doesn't tip over while spinning. Miele might have invented that for all I know. And yes this is old stuff. That's literally how the prof introduced fuzzy logic to us in the lecture. And I'm old. Notifies me when I should run the maintenance cycles to keep the machine clean Which an LED on the machine couldn't do? Notifies me when it needs a software update, which I can manage from my phone. Which... Should be needed exactly never. If it wants to do this more than 0 times during me owning it I know what I'll be chucking out soon/never buying again.

anamexis 3y ago

Well you haven't been looking too closely then, because there are a ton of washing machines on the market that are WiFi-enabled and have apps.

YetAnotherNick 3y ago
There must be for sure, but I opened bestbuy and I can't find any on the first page[1]. There are always some buyer who are attracted by technical terms so there is some market for those. [1]: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/washers-dryers/washers-washing-machines/abcat0910001.c?id=abcat0910001 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/washers-dryers/washers-washing-...
- wlesieutre 3y ago
  Maybe we're getting different lists, the 5th one down for me is a Samsung with WiFi https://www.bestbuy.com/site/6416171.p?skuId=6416171 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/6416171.p?skuId=6416171
  - YetAnotherNick 3y ago
    Where does it say that it has wifi? Smart is just a marketing term here.
    - mikeyouse 3y ago
      It's definitely not just a marketing term.. If you follow the specs on that model - you'll see a, "Wireless Connectivity: Wi-Fi" If you go to the product page on Samsung.com (https://www.samsung.com/us/home-appliances/washers/front-load/4-5-cu-ft-front-load-washer-with-vibration-reduction-technology-plus-in-white-wf45t6000aw-a5/ https://www.samsung.com/us/home-appliances/washers/front-loa...) "Smart Care - Easy troubleshooting from the convenience of your smartphone.* Smart Care interacts with your washer and dryer to perform an immediate diagnosis and offer quick solutions." "* Requires Samsung Smart Washer/Dryer App. The Samsung Smart Washer/Dryer App supports Android OS 2.3.6 or later and iOS 3 or later for iPhone models. Samsung Smart Washer/Dryer App available in App Store and Play Store."
      - YetAnotherNick 3y ago
        There is no "Wireless Connectivity: Wi-Fi" in specs at least in samsung's site. It does display the troubleshooting which seems something like QR for machine status, which I really doubt it will troubleshoot anything and it is just there for false assurance.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        Yes, there is. On your link: https://imgur.com/a/O1zBuJW https://imgur.com/a/O1zBuJW
    - wlesieutre 3y ago
      You may be right, Best Buy says it has WiFi but it isn't mentioned in the manual. Still, a bit further down the results this LG definitely does: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/6419621.p?skuId=6419621 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/6419621.p?skuId=6419621

nwsm 3y ago

If your appliance has a network stack it's no longer dumb. Most major appliance brands are now selling wifi-enabled dishwashers with companion smartphone apps.

wing-_-nuts 3y ago

My washer and drier have mechanical 'egg timer' spring wound timers. I prefer something like that. Hell, I remember my microwave in college simply had two nobs, one for time, and one for power, and it was perfect. If I could find a high power 1200W version of that microwave I'd buy it today.

greenpresident 3y ago
Buy something (semi-)professional like the Panasonic NE 1840. There should be smaller, cheaper variants. The NE 1027 EYG will most likely work for home use. Commercial appliances are made to last and then be repaired.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  Panasonic NE 1840 first link i hit -- price was €3.552,56 Incl. BTW meanwhile the local best buy is selling one on sale for $95 CAD. i'm all for simpler, knobs, etc., but that's a non-starter, and if i'm dropping $2000 on an appliance its going to be an espresso machine
nicholasjarnold 3y ago
Commercial Chef makes a 600W model (CHM660B) with exactly this configuration. Not what you're looking for exactly, given the power, but maybe helpful to others who share your sentiment.

neogodless 3y ago

First item on that link for me: > Easy troubleshooting from the convenience of your smartphone. You're going to argue it doesn't have network connectivity and circuitry?

YetAnotherNick 3y ago
It doesn't have network connectivity. And most of the time, it doesn't have additional circuitry which would cost the manufacturer money. Instead it's just a software gimmick to show status via app using something like qr of washing machine status. It's purpose is to save status light which were part of older models and it costed them money. It is just more smart marketed version which is dumb product overall.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Yes, it does. Click the "See all specs" button. Wi-Fi Connectivity: Yes https://imgur.com/a/O1zBuJW https://imgur.com/a/O1zBuJW
  - neogodless 3y ago
    Ha yeah I even replied to the wrong comment and accidentally replied to one that.. yup has WiFi and an app for it.

louthy 3y ago

My Miele Washer/Dryer [1] has plenty of ‘smart’ features (which I consider to be more than just network connectivity - it’s also computer enabled features, rather than simple mechanical operations IMHO): * Touchscreen or app control * Notifies me thru the app when a wash/dry is complete (my appliance is in a utility room, so this is really useful) * Predicts when it will finish (and showing the time and which stage it’s on in the app) * Monitors its own progress and will inform me if it needs more time (like if the drying needs longer due to increased load size) * Allows pausing a wash so other items can be added * Has detergent dispensers that are monitored and lets me know when they’re low. It also works out the right amount of detergent to use based on size of load and other info you give it (see next item) * Has a ‘washing assistant’ which is like an ‘install wizard’ where I select the types of clothing in the drum, its level of soiling, whether I want it dried or not, and various other features - it takes all that and works out the correct programme for the items (I can do this from my phone too - which is actually more useful than it sounds!). * When the cycle is complete and it’s waiting for you to empty it, it goes into a ‘slow turn’ mode, where it just turns the clothing over every 5 seconds or so to stop creasing. * Notifies me when I should run the maintenance cycles to keep the machine clean * Notifies me when it needs a software update, which I can manage from my phone. Do you need all these things? Of course not, and I thought I’d never go for a smart appliance, but I am absolutely a convert. [1] https://www.miele.co.uk/product/11576550/wt1-washer-dryer-wtr860wpm-pwashandtdos-8-5kg-lotus-white https://www.miele.co.uk/product/11576550/wt1-washer-dryer-wt...

tharkun__ 3y ago
OK I'll bite. Touchscreen or app control Why does it need a touchscreen? Like cars, a physical knob and buttons are just fine. Why would I ever want to take out... Oh wait want to go back to another room to find my phone first... To then use the app to do what one or two turns of a knob and a button can do that are right in front of me the whole time? Notifies me thru the app when a wash/dry is complete (my appliance is in a utility room, so this is really useful) Fair enough if you can not actually hear it from where you are. Not happened to me ever even with being upstairs and the thing in the basement but fair. Predicts when it will finish (and showing the time and which stage it’s on in the app) Personally I couldn't care less about any of that information. Beep when it's done and even then I'll probably not go and do something about it right away since I'll be in the middle of a meeting anyway. Monitors its own progress and will inform me if it needs more time (like if the drying needs longer due to increased load size) Who cares? Don't tell me when you aren't done. While it's working it's working. Tell me when it's done. Also see above. Allows pausing a wash so other items can be added Which a button on the front can't do? Has detergent dispensers that are monitored and lets me know when they’re low. It also works out the right amount of detergent to use based on size of load and other info you give it (see next item) Fair enough. The notification should be an LED on the front though coz I need to be there to refill anyway and the new detergent is parked right next to it too. Also: How does it figure out that this is a heavy duty cycle of muddy rugby shirts? Has a ‘washing assistant’ which is like an ‘install wizard’ where I select the types of clothing in the drum, its level of soiling, whether I want it dried or not, and various other features - it takes all that and works out the correct programme for the items (I can do this from my phone too - which is actually more useful than it sounds!). Ah like that. Like turning the knob on "heavily soiled" instead of running me through a 17 step wizard? When the cycle is complete and it’s waiting for you to empty it, it goes into a ‘slow turn’ mode, where it just turns the clothing over every 5 seconds or so to stop creasing. Fair enough but what does have to do with the new "smart device craze"? Washers have had fuzzy logic (think one of the original machine learning algorithms - or in new fangled "AI") to make sure your washer doesn't tip over while spinning. Miele might have invented that for all I know. And yes this is old stuff. That's literally how the prof introduced fuzzy logic to us in the lecture. And I'm old. Notifies me when I should run the maintenance cycles to keep the machine clean Which an LED on the machine couldn't do? Notifies me when it needs a software update, which I can manage from my phone. Which... Should be needed exactly never. If it wants to do this more than 0 times during me owning it I know what I'll be chucking out soon/never buying again.