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Spirit AeroSystems may have it's own subcontractors, they may have their own, etc... and buck needs to stop somewhere. The the airliner is called "Boeing 737 M

Spirit AeroSystems may have it's own subcontractors, they may have their own, etc... and buck needs to stop somewhere. The the airliner is called "Boeing 737 MAX" and not "Spirit AeroSystems - Boeing 737 MAX" which makes it pretty clear where overall accountability sits.

kube-system 3y ago
Right, but this website isn't for regulators to assign accountability. This website is for people to choose what plane they fly on. Choosing to not to fly on a MAX 8 because a MAX 9 has a part that is failing, is jumping to conclusions. If someone wants to jump that far, maybe they should avoid the Airbus A220 because it has wings made by Spirit AeroSystems. There's a lot of finger pointing going on when nobody knows why the doors are falling off yet.
- wasmitnetzen 3y ago
  The MAX 8 killed more than 300 people due to Boeing's culture. This incident is a fair indication that this culture hasn't changed.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    You don't know if this issue was due to a cultural problem at Boeing, because you don't know the reason the doors came off.
    - wasmitnetzen 3y ago
      That's why I said it's an indication, and not an actual proof.
- sorokod 3y ago
  I'll assume you are arguing in good faith so... People are angry, concerned and not willing to wait for NTSB to complete their investigations and see what if anything the FAA will do with the conclusions. People are applying a heuristic and for many the outcome (correct in my opinion) is that Boeing should not be trusted.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    > People are applying a heuristic and for many the outcome (correct in my opinion) is that Boeing should not be trusted. That's how I see it. Boeing has already demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice safety and even human lives in exchange for greater profits and stock price increases. They then showed a willingness to lie and try to cover up their actions after it came to light that they caused the deaths of hundreds of passengers. They've also shown that they'll fight to avoid taking responsibility for the lives they took (https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-737-max-crash-victims-families-damages-lawsuit-pain-ethiopian-2023-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-737-max-crash-victims...) Why should anyone trust them now?

kube-system 3y ago

Right, but this website isn't for regulators to assign accountability. This website is for people to choose what plane they fly on. Choosing to not to fly on a MAX 8 because a MAX 9 has a part that is failing, is jumping to conclusions. If someone wants to jump that far, maybe they should avoid the Airbus A220 because it has wings made by Spirit AeroSystems. There's a lot of finger pointing going on when nobody knows why the doors are falling off yet.

wasmitnetzen 3y ago
The MAX 8 killed more than 300 people due to Boeing's culture. This incident is a fair indication that this culture hasn't changed.
- kube-system 3y ago
  You don't know if this issue was due to a cultural problem at Boeing, because you don't know the reason the doors came off.
  - wasmitnetzen 3y ago
    That's why I said it's an indication, and not an actual proof.
sorokod 3y ago
I'll assume you are arguing in good faith so... People are angry, concerned and not willing to wait for NTSB to complete their investigations and see what if anything the FAA will do with the conclusions. People are applying a heuristic and for many the outcome (correct in my opinion) is that Boeing should not be trusted.
- autoexec 3y ago
  > People are applying a heuristic and for many the outcome (correct in my opinion) is that Boeing should not be trusted. That's how I see it. Boeing has already demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice safety and even human lives in exchange for greater profits and stock price increases. They then showed a willingness to lie and try to cover up their actions after it came to light that they caused the deaths of hundreds of passengers. They've also shown that they'll fight to avoid taking responsibility for the lives they took (https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-737-max-crash-victims-families-damages-lawsuit-pain-ethiopian-2023-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-737-max-crash-victims...) Why should anyone trust them now?