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There was a recent blowout of a door, and now several problems were found in subsequent MAX planes. This is part of a larger saga with faults found in MAX plane

There was a recent blowout of a door, and now several problems were found in subsequent MAX planes. This is part of a larger saga with faults found in MAX planes that have caused some crashes, and the longstanding quality issues with Boeing. Some previous discussions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38917820 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38917820 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38893909 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38893909 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38889774 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38889774

kube-system 3y ago
Yes, but those parts in question exist only on the MAX 9, which is no longer flying. Right now the answer to: "Is my plane a 737 MAX 9?" is "no, it isn't"
- Eji1700 3y ago
  When a plane crashes, twice, totaling 300+ dead, people are right to get skeptical. When the investigation into those crashes reveals a shitload of corner cutting on safety regs, people are right to get skeptical. When another version of the same plane made by the same company has an in flight blowout and the fleet is grounded AGAIN (yes i know just the 9s but remind me how many other companies have had entire lines of their plane grounded in the last 20 years), then yes I think it's reasonable to want to avoid any of their newer plane models as clearly the level of safety and quality appears to be declining. Flying is still safer than just about any other form of travel, but that's basically because we mandated a shit ton of regulations and safety to make sure that even penny pinching corner cutting corps wouldn't have people dying in droves. Boeing has clearly decided to push that envelope and they deserve all the bad press they get for it and I fully understand people who already have a quasi irrational fear of flying freaking the hell out over this. I would certainly not buy a car from a company that's clearly disregarded safety so badly, and would prefer avoiding being in one for any other reason (friends/rideshare/whatever).
  - kube-system 3y ago
    > I would certainly not buy a car from a company that's clearly disregarded safety so badly, and would prefer avoiding being in one for any other reason (friends/rideshare/whatever). That's a lot of cars. The standard in the auto industry is to design specifically for regulatory tests, and/or popular industry tests, in a specific region. All major automakers sell cars that intentionally lack safety features in regions that don't explicitly require them, if it will give their vehicle a price advantage in that market. e.g. you can still buy vehicles without airbags made by major auto manufacturers.
    - Eji1700 3y ago
      Which seems totally irrelevant given that we're talking specifically about Boeing failing to meet US regulations (and a bunch of international ones as well). Selling a car without an airbag in a country that's decided you don't need airbags is the choice of the country. If you wanted this to be similar it'd be selling a car in a country that wants you to have airbags, but yours don't work. Which would be a company I'd avoid.
      - kube-system 3y ago
        You specifically mentioned automakers disregarding safety, which was why I entertained the topic. We don't know why these doors are falling off yet. Any accusation that it was due to a disregard for safety isn't supported by any facts, yet. It is conjecture.

kube-system 3y ago

Yes, but those parts in question exist only on the MAX 9, which is no longer flying. Right now the answer to: "Is my plane a 737 MAX 9?" is "no, it isn't"

Eji1700 3y ago
When a plane crashes, twice, totaling 300+ dead, people are right to get skeptical. When the investigation into those crashes reveals a shitload of corner cutting on safety regs, people are right to get skeptical. When another version of the same plane made by the same company has an in flight blowout and the fleet is grounded AGAIN (yes i know just the 9s but remind me how many other companies have had entire lines of their plane grounded in the last 20 years), then yes I think it's reasonable to want to avoid any of their newer plane models as clearly the level of safety and quality appears to be declining. Flying is still safer than just about any other form of travel, but that's basically because we mandated a shit ton of regulations and safety to make sure that even penny pinching corner cutting corps wouldn't have people dying in droves. Boeing has clearly decided to push that envelope and they deserve all the bad press they get for it and I fully understand people who already have a quasi irrational fear of flying freaking the hell out over this. I would certainly not buy a car from a company that's clearly disregarded safety so badly, and would prefer avoiding being in one for any other reason (friends/rideshare/whatever).
- kube-system 3y ago
  > I would certainly not buy a car from a company that's clearly disregarded safety so badly, and would prefer avoiding being in one for any other reason (friends/rideshare/whatever). That's a lot of cars. The standard in the auto industry is to design specifically for regulatory tests, and/or popular industry tests, in a specific region. All major automakers sell cars that intentionally lack safety features in regions that don't explicitly require them, if it will give their vehicle a price advantage in that market. e.g. you can still buy vehicles without airbags made by major auto manufacturers.
  - Eji1700 3y ago
    Which seems totally irrelevant given that we're talking specifically about Boeing failing to meet US regulations (and a bunch of international ones as well). Selling a car without an airbag in a country that's decided you don't need airbags is the choice of the country. If you wanted this to be similar it'd be selling a car in a country that wants you to have airbags, but yours don't work. Which would be a company I'd avoid.
    - kube-system 3y ago
      You specifically mentioned automakers disregarding safety, which was why I entertained the topic. We don't know why these doors are falling off yet. Any accusation that it was due to a disregard for safety isn't supported by any facts, yet. It is conjecture.