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Why is this flagged and why can't I vouch for it?

by bluefishinit 3y ago

rsynnott 3y ago
The Elonites don't care for this sort of thing, as it makes Dear Leader look a bit silly.
- bluefishinit 3y ago
  Do they have the power to make a HN submission un-vouchable?
  - greyface- 3y ago
    Submissions become vouchable once flagkilled, not once flagged.
    - bluefishinit 3y ago
      That's interesting, what's the difference between the two? Is there any recourse to reviving a flagged article like this?
      - greyface- 3y ago
        I don't know the exact thresholds, but [flagged] happens at some # of flags, and [dead] happens at a higher # of flags. [flagged] are de-ranked, but not made invisible or unavailable for replies like [dead] are. I guess the recourse would be upvoting - I think those counteract flags in terms of ranking. I don't know if that would do anything to remove the [flagged] display, though.
hn1986 3y ago
@dang, do you have any solutions for Musk related articles being flagged constantly? Clearly someone is trying to abuse the flag process. Does being flagged affect it getting on the frontpage or any effect?
- mariusor 3y ago
  Why do you think that democratic flagging needs a solution?
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    > democratic flagging how is it "democratic" when a few people can kill an article they don't agree with? "democratic" would be upvotes & downvotes canceling each other out, which we already have.
    - greyface- 3y ago
      > "democratic" would be upvotes & downvotes canceling each other out, which we already have. Submissions can't be downvoted; we don't already have that.
    - mariusor 3y ago
      Well, if you feel a flag is underserved you can vouch for the submission/comment. I think a vastly smaller number of vouches is needed to unflag something than the number of flags it took to flag it. I know there's the downside of not being able to vouch for something until it got buried, but even so I think the end-result is reasonably democratic.
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        I searched the FAQ for the word "vouch" and got zilch. Explain to me the utility of flagging as opposed to simply downvoting (I'm talking about comments, not submissions). especially, why is there no accountability for it? Are there "frequent flaggers" who should sometimes have their flagging privileges revoked?
        mariusor 3y ago
        I am not in any way affiliated with HN. I don't feel the need to defend their choices before you. I merely make use of the tools provided to curate the content I want to see more/less on the website. (Also this is a purely theoretical discussion on my part, I did not flag this particular submission, even though the less I see of Musk's name, the better.)
mariusor 3y ago
Maybe some people just searched for the accounts on twitter, found them, and concluded that Vice is either mistaken, or jumped to premature conclusions.

Why is this flagged and why can't I vouch for it?

rsynnott 3y ago

The Elonites don't care for this sort of thing, as it makes Dear Leader look a bit silly.

bluefishinit 3y ago
Do they have the power to make a HN submission un-vouchable?
- greyface- 3y ago
  Submissions become vouchable once flagkilled, not once flagged.
  - bluefishinit 3y ago
    That's interesting, what's the difference between the two? Is there any recourse to reviving a flagged article like this?
    - greyface- 3y ago
      I don't know the exact thresholds, but [flagged] happens at some # of flags, and [dead] happens at a higher # of flags. [flagged] are de-ranked, but not made invisible or unavailable for replies like [dead] are. I guess the recourse would be upvoting - I think those counteract flags in terms of ranking. I don't know if that would do anything to remove the [flagged] display, though.

hn1986 3y ago

@dang, do you have any solutions for Musk related articles being flagged constantly? Clearly someone is trying to abuse the flag process. Does being flagged affect it getting on the frontpage or any effect?

mariusor 3y ago
Why do you think that democratic flagging needs a solution?
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  > democratic flagging how is it "democratic" when a few people can kill an article they don't agree with? "democratic" would be upvotes & downvotes canceling each other out, which we already have.
  - greyface- 3y ago
    > "democratic" would be upvotes & downvotes canceling each other out, which we already have. Submissions can't be downvoted; we don't already have that.
  - mariusor 3y ago
    Well, if you feel a flag is underserved you can vouch for the submission/comment. I think a vastly smaller number of vouches is needed to unflag something than the number of flags it took to flag it. I know there's the downside of not being able to vouch for something until it got buried, but even so I think the end-result is reasonably democratic.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      I searched the FAQ for the word "vouch" and got zilch. Explain to me the utility of flagging as opposed to simply downvoting (I'm talking about comments, not submissions). especially, why is there no accountability for it? Are there "frequent flaggers" who should sometimes have their flagging privileges revoked?
      - mariusor 3y ago
        I am not in any way affiliated with HN. I don't feel the need to defend their choices before you. I merely make use of the tools provided to curate the content I want to see more/less on the website. (Also this is a purely theoretical discussion on my part, I did not flag this particular submission, even though the less I see of Musk's name, the better.)

mariusor 3y ago

Maybe some people just searched for the accounts on twitter, found them, and concluded that Vice is either mistaken, or jumped to premature conclusions.