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Well then, don’t use DJI stuff. I’m pretty sure Apple will keep positioning their App Store as the official authorized way to get software for iDevices. I’m al

Well then, don’t use DJI stuff. I’m pretty sure Apple will keep positioning their App Store as the official authorized way to get software for iDevices. I’m also pretty sure that there’s going to be huge inertia there and most of the apps are going to be on App Store still. So your ability to live in a walled garden won’t be affected much. Yes, some apps will move away from the App Store, and I suggest you to vote with your wallet and not use them. I for one absolutely cherish the ability to install software I choose on the device that’s supposedly mine.

bee_rider 3y ago
Sure, this is why I have mixed feeling rather than straight up opposition. Would it be nice to be able to install third party apps? I’d like… a GNU store, maybe a Suckless store, Panic is decent. There are pros, it isn’t all cons. There is a downside, though, snooping companies like Facebook and Google are going to use this to circumvent Apple’s privacy rules. I disagree that this is a case of “vote with your wallet.” I already voted with my wallet by opting into a less open ecosystem for my phone. In general, individuals voting with their wallets have limited reach, this is why people do things like join unions or co-ops. It was good to have at least one popular platform that enforced at least some bare minimum standards that we could opt in to, that most app authors wanted to support.
- idle_zealot 3y ago
  > In general, individuals voting with their wallets have limited reach, this is why people do things like join unions or co-ops Correct. There are two problems here: 1. Apple won't let people install the software they want on their phones 2. Lots of companies want to get their software installed on your phone by whatever means to control it and turn it against your interests Both of these are bad. The DMA fixes 1, but HN users consistently complain that in doing so it will prevent Apple from mitigating 2. But relying on a company like Apple to stop other companies from abusing users is not a reasonable state of things. People should, through collective action (probably a law) prevent this abuse. And the DMA does not preclude this.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    Maybe living in the US has made me unnecessarily pessimistic about the likelihood of having consumer protection laws make that last step. I’d be happy to be wrong but I suspect we’ll end up in the local pessimism.
    - jgilias 3y ago
      Oh, but then you don’t have anything to worry about. As far as I understand nothing will change in the US regarding App Store policies. It’s just the EU where this would apply.

bee_rider 3y ago

Sure, this is why I have mixed feeling rather than straight up opposition. Would it be nice to be able to install third party apps? I’d like… a GNU store, maybe a Suckless store, Panic is decent. There are pros, it isn’t all cons. There is a downside, though, snooping companies like Facebook and Google are going to use this to circumvent Apple’s privacy rules. I disagree that this is a case of “vote with your wallet.” I already voted with my wallet by opting into a less open ecosystem for my phone. In general, individuals voting with their wallets have limited reach, this is why people do things like join unions or co-ops. It was good to have at least one popular platform that enforced at least some bare minimum standards that we could opt in to, that most app authors wanted to support.

idle_zealot 3y ago
> In general, individuals voting with their wallets have limited reach, this is why people do things like join unions or co-ops Correct. There are two problems here: 1. Apple won't let people install the software they want on their phones 2. Lots of companies want to get their software installed on your phone by whatever means to control it and turn it against your interests Both of these are bad. The DMA fixes 1, but HN users consistently complain that in doing so it will prevent Apple from mitigating 2. But relying on a company like Apple to stop other companies from abusing users is not a reasonable state of things. People should, through collective action (probably a law) prevent this abuse. And the DMA does not preclude this.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  Maybe living in the US has made me unnecessarily pessimistic about the likelihood of having consumer protection laws make that last step. I’d be happy to be wrong but I suspect we’ll end up in the local pessimism.
  - jgilias 3y ago
    Oh, but then you don’t have anything to worry about. As far as I understand nothing will change in the US regarding App Store policies. It’s just the EU where this would apply.