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Also of interest is Exapunks (https://www.zachtronics.com/exapunks/ https://www.zachtronics.com/exapunks/), which did a better job teaching me asm than my colle

Also of interest is Exapunks (https://www.zachtronics.com/exapunks/ https://www.zachtronics.com/exapunks/), which did a better job teaching me asm than my college course did.

schnitzelstoat 3y ago
TIS-100 was also excellent. It's actually harder than real asm.
shagie 3y ago
Have you also given Shenzhen I/O a run?
- deskamess 3y ago
  Is Shenzen I/O hardware or software? Or firmware?
  - junon 3y ago
    The game is about writing firmware for a large Chinese multinational. It's also pretty fun.
  - shagie 3y ago
    All of the above. You're placing components, running wire paths, writing assembly for the component. An old Scott Manley video introducing it: https://youtu.be/UpJU3wIf-v0 https://youtu.be/UpJU3wIf-v0 It's quite featureful ... https://youtu.be/2tlW3S4V29Y https://youtu.be/2tlW3S4V29Y and https://youtu.be/BGLWE6S68b0 https://youtu.be/BGLWE6S68b0
- octobus2021 3y ago
  I gave it a try quite a few years ago. I had a mixed feeling. On one hand, it is a great simulation of actual hardware/firmware dev jobs. On another hand I wasn't sure who the target audience was. If you're doing this for a living you probably don't want to do that as part of a game too, and if you aren't, you probably will find it too dry and detailed because it is THAT close to a real job... I haven't gotten TIS-100 however many years it came out for the same reason. When I feel nostalgic I just dust off some old tools and do some fun stuff with C or Assembly. Turing Complete is definitely more of a game, however with a lot of educational value.
- OnionBlender 3y ago
  Shenzhen has some restrictions and mechanics I don't like. - circuit board is too small and jumper wires are only vertical. - assembly lines per chip is too limited. - I don't like the plus/minus mechanic for conditions. - not enough microcontroller varients. I often wanted a microcontroller with 3 simple IO pins instead of the XBus pins.

Also of interest is Exapunks (https://www.zachtronics.com/exapunks/ https://www.zachtronics.com/exapunks/), which did a better job teaching me asm than my college course did.

schnitzelstoat 3y ago

TIS-100 was also excellent. It's actually harder than real asm.

shagie 3y ago

Have you also given Shenzhen I/O a run?

deskamess 3y ago
Is Shenzen I/O hardware or software? Or firmware?
- junon 3y ago
  The game is about writing firmware for a large Chinese multinational. It's also pretty fun.
- shagie 3y ago
  All of the above. You're placing components, running wire paths, writing assembly for the component. An old Scott Manley video introducing it: https://youtu.be/UpJU3wIf-v0 https://youtu.be/UpJU3wIf-v0 It's quite featureful ... https://youtu.be/2tlW3S4V29Y https://youtu.be/2tlW3S4V29Y and https://youtu.be/BGLWE6S68b0 https://youtu.be/BGLWE6S68b0
octobus2021 3y ago
I gave it a try quite a few years ago. I had a mixed feeling. On one hand, it is a great simulation of actual hardware/firmware dev jobs. On another hand I wasn't sure who the target audience was. If you're doing this for a living you probably don't want to do that as part of a game too, and if you aren't, you probably will find it too dry and detailed because it is THAT close to a real job... I haven't gotten TIS-100 however many years it came out for the same reason. When I feel nostalgic I just dust off some old tools and do some fun stuff with C or Assembly. Turing Complete is definitely more of a game, however with a lot of educational value.
OnionBlender 3y ago
Shenzhen has some restrictions and mechanics I don't like. - circuit board is too small and jumper wires are only vertical. - assembly lines per chip is too limited. - I don't like the plus/minus mechanic for conditions. - not enough microcontroller varients. I often wanted a microcontroller with 3 simple IO pins instead of the XBus pins.