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I thought offshoring happened 20 years ago. I think today, it is more about aishoring, or the dream that it will be possible to do a lot with very few people.

delphico 3y ago
Oh absolutely. The term is new (aishoring). There is chaos though (initial days of aishoring ?) The challenge I see is the following (or the management thought I see is the following) a) Hire some Junior devs, track them through spyware on the laptops b) Enterprise ChatGPT, Bard, <Insert my own> c) CoPilot d) Spin features out Some senior folk reviews the code (we pay him top dollar, so 18 hours is reality he/she has to wake up to) As someone to whom this happened (I did not sign up, it was normal till management changed), I can tell you it made me go crazy. 85 hour work weeks (weekends included) took a toll and I quit and took a lower paying position (1 year ago). Sadly its not getting better, Was conversing with a colleague recently and he told me his new task was to use GenAI to migrate IMS to Java microservices. Kind of chuckled to myself (console by saying: it gets worse, before it gets better)
- osigurdson 3y ago
  I'm not sure the new model will be senior dev + junior devs + LLMs. Rather it is more likely that it will just be senior dev / person with ideas + LLM. At least that is how it seems that it should work. However, my own empirical evidence runs somewhat counter to that: ChatGPT has a tough time getting the details right. Perhaps in time we will get true amplification.
- benterix 3y ago
  > As someone to whom this happened Happened to me too - I just said this shit is generated by ChatGPT and I won't be reviewing it. They didn't insist.
wizerdrobe 3y ago
The trend I’ve seen, and one that actually seems to have decent results, is “near-shoring” to Romania, Ukraine, Brazil or similar. India has had an “if you’ve got no better options” for most of my career to be honest.
- delphico 3y ago
  Point taken, but there are no black and white options as you'd have seen. I have worked with folks from East European Geo's who are very good and you will find that everywhere. The volumes (fresh and junior hiring) in India are staggering numbers

delphico 3y ago

Oh absolutely. The term is new (aishoring). There is chaos though (initial days of aishoring ?) The challenge I see is the following (or the management thought I see is the following) a) Hire some Junior devs, track them through spyware on the laptops b) Enterprise ChatGPT, Bard, <Insert my own> c) CoPilot d) Spin features out Some senior folk reviews the code (we pay him top dollar, so 18 hours is reality he/she has to wake up to) As someone to whom this happened (I did not sign up, it was normal till management changed), I can tell you it made me go crazy. 85 hour work weeks (weekends included) took a toll and I quit and took a lower paying position (1 year ago). Sadly its not getting better, Was conversing with a colleague recently and he told me his new task was to use GenAI to migrate IMS to Java microservices. Kind of chuckled to myself (console by saying: it gets worse, before it gets better)

osigurdson 3y ago
I'm not sure the new model will be senior dev + junior devs + LLMs. Rather it is more likely that it will just be senior dev / person with ideas + LLM. At least that is how it seems that it should work. However, my own empirical evidence runs somewhat counter to that: ChatGPT has a tough time getting the details right. Perhaps in time we will get true amplification.
benterix 3y ago
> As someone to whom this happened Happened to me too - I just said this shit is generated by ChatGPT and I won't be reviewing it. They didn't insist.

wizerdrobe 3y ago

The trend I’ve seen, and one that actually seems to have decent results, is “near-shoring” to Romania, Ukraine, Brazil or similar. India has had an “if you’ve got no better options” for most of my career to be honest.

delphico 3y ago
Point taken, but there are no black and white options as you'd have seen. I have worked with folks from East European Geo's who are very good and you will find that everywhere. The volumes (fresh and junior hiring) in India are staggering numbers