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> it can even perfectly translate endangered languages like Occitan I’m continually surprised by the ever increasing hype surrounding AI. How could this statem

> it can even perfectly translate endangered languages like Occitan I’m continually surprised by the ever increasing hype surrounding AI. How could this statement possibly be true? Does ChatGPT have any Occitan texts in its training corpus? Are you fluent in this language to be someone qualified to make such a determination? Every comment I’ve read from someone employed as a translator says it still doesn’t get the human nuances of languages. Yet, it perfectly knows this language? Wikipedia even says “Occitan does not have a single written standard form”[1]. If that context is true, how could any thing possibly translate it perfectly? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language

madsbuch 3y ago
> Every comment I’ve read from someone employed as a translator says it still doesn’t get the human nuances of languages. Yet, it perfectly knows this language? Wouldn't it be fun to make a bind test on these people? I would be surprised if they can statistically distinguish machine translations from human transactions.
- elicksaur 3y ago
  Totally fair. I’d add it’s fair to also question how many people on the internet who claim to be employed translators are actually employed translators
crotchfire 3y ago
> I’m continually surprised by the ever increasing hype surrounding AI. Try reading something other than HN. Seriously, the barftastic levels of AI-hype around here have passed the point of "okay this might perhaps be organic" for me.
famouswaffles 3y ago
I have no clue with Occitan specifically but "It does not get the human nuances of languages" would be an absurd conclusion for GPT-4's Translation competence.
- elicksaur 3y ago
  Like I said, I was just summarizing the data I had so far. Like anyone, at any point in time, my info was/is incomplete. A HN submission from today is a strong point against what I have read so far: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38932428 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38932428
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    Sorry, I think my comment probably came off more harsh? than i intended. It's just 4 is so ahead of the pack. Korean Passage Example i cooked up recently from the excerpt from a novel and the official translations amongst other translators for comparison - https://imgur.com/a/XtH7dZt https://imgur.com/a/XtH7dZt

madsbuch 3y ago

> Every comment I’ve read from someone employed as a translator says it still doesn’t get the human nuances of languages. Yet, it perfectly knows this language? Wouldn't it be fun to make a bind test on these people? I would be surprised if they can statistically distinguish machine translations from human transactions.

elicksaur 3y ago
Totally fair. I’d add it’s fair to also question how many people on the internet who claim to be employed translators are actually employed translators

crotchfire 3y ago

> I’m continually surprised by the ever increasing hype surrounding AI. Try reading something other than HN. Seriously, the barftastic levels of AI-hype around here have passed the point of "okay this might perhaps be organic" for me.

famouswaffles 3y ago

I have no clue with Occitan specifically but "It does not get the human nuances of languages" would be an absurd conclusion for GPT-4's Translation competence.

elicksaur 3y ago
Like I said, I was just summarizing the data I had so far. Like anyone, at any point in time, my info was/is incomplete. A HN submission from today is a strong point against what I have read so far: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38932428 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38932428
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  Sorry, I think my comment probably came off more harsh? than i intended. It's just 4 is so ahead of the pack. Korean Passage Example i cooked up recently from the excerpt from a novel and the official translations amongst other translators for comparison - https://imgur.com/a/XtH7dZt https://imgur.com/a/XtH7dZt