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Absolutely. It’s weird though that tech focused companies with Silicon Valley style cultures who are looking to cut costs are completely uninterested in those r

Absolutely. It’s weird though that tech focused companies with Silicon Valley style cultures who are looking to cut costs are completely uninterested in those regions. With more developer-friendly working conditions, they wouldn't have to compete as aggressively on TC. And with more normal cost of living, it could be sustainable for senior people who are not independently wealthy to have long tenures there.

ptero 3y ago
I think you are absolutely right that there appears to be some low hanging fruit for tech companies to pick by looking to "second tier metros". But I inertia and (lack of) critical mass play a big role. In the past decade (i.e., when the money was plentiful) when a startup is young, the TC of its engineers rarely makes or breaks the startup. Being able to get an MVP out and iterate quickly is more important, so it was a rational choice to stay in the Bay Area even if it means 30% inflated TC. And after that moving is expensive in both time and money and risky (e.g., a key engineer might not want to go). And having a critical mass of tech companies helps attract talent: if a company goes under or has large layoffs it is perceived to be easier to find a new job in the center of the tech hub. I think covid helped nudge along the process of moving tech development out of SV, but it is a slow process. My 2c.
- closeparen 3y ago
  Tech is moving rapidly out of Silicon Valley... but strangely, straight to the developing world, skipping second-tier metros.
  - sidlls 3y ago
    Some tech is. Meanwhile large tech companies that are actually innovating (FAANG, near-FAANG, and FAANG-adjacent companies) are not. My comp has never been higher, and we're hiring. In the bay area.
    - alasdair_ 3y ago
      I’m honestly unable to name a single innovation from a FAANG that wasn’t just buying another company or cloning a competitor in the last five years. What has Meta or Google or Microsoft actually innovated on recently?
      - bombcar 3y ago
        The M1 is kinda innovative but Apple did “just buy companies”.
      - fragmede 3y ago
        Self-driving cars, from the Google self-driving car project, which was later renamed Waymo, kinda seems like a big deal to me.
        hasty_pudding 3y ago
        Will be interesting to see if they keep it going or shut it gown. Google has a way of starting something and then shutting it down.
      - charcircuit 3y ago
        These companies are always innovating. Google doesn't just say "Our ad recommendation system is good enough, lets just go into maintenence mode for a year." No. They constantly are trying to improve their models, switch to a better architecture, and innovate to try and eke out a few more percentage points of conversions.
      - hasty_pudding 3y ago
        They havent innovated on anything of significance in decades. They just sit on their cash crops and buy up startups.
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ptero 3y ago

I think you are absolutely right that there appears to be some low hanging fruit for tech companies to pick by looking to "second tier metros". But I inertia and (lack of) critical mass play a big role. In the past decade (i.e., when the money was plentiful) when a startup is young, the TC of its engineers rarely makes or breaks the startup. Being able to get an MVP out and iterate quickly is more important, so it was a rational choice to stay in the Bay Area even if it means 30% inflated TC. And after that moving is expensive in both time and money and risky (e.g., a key engineer might not want to go). And having a critical mass of tech companies helps attract talent: if a company goes under or has large layoffs it is perceived to be easier to find a new job in the center of the tech hub. I think covid helped nudge along the process of moving tech development out of SV, but it is a slow process. My 2c.

closeparen 3y ago
Tech is moving rapidly out of Silicon Valley... but strangely, straight to the developing world, skipping second-tier metros.
- sidlls 3y ago
  Some tech is. Meanwhile large tech companies that are actually innovating (FAANG, near-FAANG, and FAANG-adjacent companies) are not. My comp has never been higher, and we're hiring. In the bay area.
  - alasdair_ 3y ago
    I’m honestly unable to name a single innovation from a FAANG that wasn’t just buying another company or cloning a competitor in the last five years. What has Meta or Google or Microsoft actually innovated on recently?
    - bombcar 3y ago
      The M1 is kinda innovative but Apple did “just buy companies”.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      Self-driving cars, from the Google self-driving car project, which was later renamed Waymo, kinda seems like a big deal to me.
      - hasty_pudding 3y ago
        Will be interesting to see if they keep it going or shut it gown. Google has a way of starting something and then shutting it down.
    - charcircuit 3y ago
      These companies are always innovating. Google doesn't just say "Our ad recommendation system is good enough, lets just go into maintenence mode for a year." No. They constantly are trying to improve their models, switch to a better architecture, and innovate to try and eke out a few more percentage points of conversions.
    - hasty_pudding 3y ago
      They havent innovated on anything of significance in decades. They just sit on their cash crops and buy up startups.
    - deleted 3y ago
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