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Maybe the plugs aren't flanged enough? If the walls are mostly flat you could see the bolts being load-bearing.

by CydeWeys 3y ago

samstave 3y ago
My money is on the window. It was compromised and then the plug/bolts/flanges structure was ripped out of the body.
- bell-cot 3y ago
  How would compromise of the window encourage the plug to be ripped out?
  - samstave 3y ago
    My assumption is the decompression event would have put the velocity of that decompression on the door/bolts and they are going to be weaker - and the addition of a window into a plug/door like this adds structural mass to add to that which is being sucked out via the decompression putting them over spec load for that area - but since it was a plug, the surrounding structure was still sound - just that thing couldnt handle the load. EDIT: Maybe the bolts have a really high shearing tolerance, but not as good of a tensile pull?
    - tavavex 3y ago
      I don't think there were any modern cases of airliner windows just being removed like that. They're fairly strong and consist of multiple layers of acrylic that are sandwiched between other components, so the entire window assembly would need to get torn out. Even then, it doesn't seem realistic that the difference in pressure would be big enough to instantly rip a properly-attached door clean off. Of course, only the experts can tell for sure, but my money's on a failure of the whole structure.
      - samstave 3y ago
        See my other post. Not in agreement.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  You'd lose your money. The plug is inserted from the outside and retained with fasteners against cabin pressure.
  - samstave 3y ago
    Lets not forget when you attempted to sell me a simple domain for $75,000 just because you thought it was such. We will go with your over-valuated opinion on [who gives a shit]
  - samstave 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontrolled_decompression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontrolled_decompression Look at causes of explosive decompression - look at the mass increase to add windows' struct infra to weight and mass to a plane, look at explosive bolts for emergencies * Explosive decompression is the most dangerous, and can cause severe injuries or death. It is caused by a sudden and catastrophic failure of the pressure vessel, such as a window blowing out or a structural failure. * Rapid decompression is less dangerous than explosive decompression, but can still cause serious injuries. It is caused by a more gradual loss of pressure, such as a door being left open or a seal failing.he cowling on the window failed. It was due to poor quality control for the extra mass around the window housings on plugs - the extra mass due to the pull and (IN ADDITION) the patsy ois on bolts. They dont use explosive bolts in aircraft plugs, apparently, but yeah - this wasnt just bolts. Its a procedural impact, installation impact AND faulty materials QA in componentry. My bet is on faulty adhesives or faulty QA on bolts. I am pretty sure BOLTS in a plug door are a ruse UNLESS one can prove that window assembly procedures are either by the same company, the same process, or the same QA from multi-vendors. Rule that out first. An explosive decompression will not happen unless a single core seal will break.... Look T THE PASSENGER MANIFEST FOR THIS FLIGHT... look at MH370... And if you want a mind F - look at Facebooks Husband who died in that flight to mexico.... If you look at the similarities, large numbers of high-tech company execs were taken out when those two crashed.... Who was on this manifest? AI execs? Who lived.... So just give a list of professions of the passenger manifest. (Yes, aware no deaths - who could have? Who were to folks that missed that flight?) If a singular bolt was faulty - it wouldnt have been an explosive decomp It would have been a leak. Explosive at 10K feet is FF attack level "first priority" (PS they already ruled IN that they use differing contractors to produce certain parts such as plug doors. How secure are those?

Maybe the plugs aren't flanged enough? If the walls are mostly flat you could see the bolts being load-bearing.

samstave 3y ago

My money is on the window. It was compromised and then the plug/bolts/flanges structure was ripped out of the body.

bell-cot 3y ago
How would compromise of the window encourage the plug to be ripped out?
- samstave 3y ago
  My assumption is the decompression event would have put the velocity of that decompression on the door/bolts and they are going to be weaker - and the addition of a window into a plug/door like this adds structural mass to add to that which is being sucked out via the decompression putting them over spec load for that area - but since it was a plug, the surrounding structure was still sound - just that thing couldnt handle the load. EDIT: Maybe the bolts have a really high shearing tolerance, but not as good of a tensile pull?
  - tavavex 3y ago
    I don't think there were any modern cases of airliner windows just being removed like that. They're fairly strong and consist of multiple layers of acrylic that are sandwiched between other components, so the entire window assembly would need to get torn out. Even then, it doesn't seem realistic that the difference in pressure would be big enough to instantly rip a properly-attached door clean off. Of course, only the experts can tell for sure, but my money's on a failure of the whole structure.
    - samstave 3y ago
      See my other post. Not in agreement.
jacquesm 3y ago
You'd lose your money. The plug is inserted from the outside and retained with fasteners against cabin pressure.
- samstave 3y ago
  Lets not forget when you attempted to sell me a simple domain for $75,000 just because you thought it was such. We will go with your over-valuated opinion on [who gives a shit]
- samstave 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontrolled_decompression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontrolled_decompression Look at causes of explosive decompression - look at the mass increase to add windows' struct infra to weight and mass to a plane, look at explosive bolts for emergencies * Explosive decompression is the most dangerous, and can cause severe injuries or death. It is caused by a sudden and catastrophic failure of the pressure vessel, such as a window blowing out or a structural failure. * Rapid decompression is less dangerous than explosive decompression, but can still cause serious injuries. It is caused by a more gradual loss of pressure, such as a door being left open or a seal failing.he cowling on the window failed. It was due to poor quality control for the extra mass around the window housings on plugs - the extra mass due to the pull and (IN ADDITION) the patsy ois on bolts. They dont use explosive bolts in aircraft plugs, apparently, but yeah - this wasnt just bolts. Its a procedural impact, installation impact AND faulty materials QA in componentry. My bet is on faulty adhesives or faulty QA on bolts. I am pretty sure BOLTS in a plug door are a ruse UNLESS one can prove that window assembly procedures are either by the same company, the same process, or the same QA from multi-vendors. Rule that out first. An explosive decompression will not happen unless a single core seal will break.... Look T THE PASSENGER MANIFEST FOR THIS FLIGHT... look at MH370... And if you want a mind F - look at Facebooks Husband who died in that flight to mexico.... If you look at the similarities, large numbers of high-tech company execs were taken out when those two crashed.... Who was on this manifest? AI execs? Who lived.... So just give a list of professions of the passenger manifest. (Yes, aware no deaths - who could have? Who were to folks that missed that flight?) If a singular bolt was faulty - it wouldnt have been an explosive decomp It would have been a leak. Explosive at 10K feet is FF attack level "first priority" (PS they already ruled IN that they use differing contractors to produce certain parts such as plug doors. How secure are those?