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I can't follow the logic of how a recording is not stressful in the two hours it is stored, but then suddenly becomes stressful when it has been stored for 2+ h

by Dah00n 3y ago

I can't follow the logic of how a recording is not stressful in the two hours it is stored, but then suddenly becomes stressful when it has been stored for 2+ hours?

mulmen 3y ago
Then you lack imagination. Perpetual recording has a chilling effect on communication.
- ghaff 3y ago
  Imagine you knew every on-the-clock interaction you had with a colleague was being stored away someplace that an unspecified number of people had access to as "needed." I'm pretty sure most developers here would object pretty strongly to such an arrangement (and would probably get onto ways to circumvent it).
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    >Imagine you knew every on-the-clock interaction you had with a colleague was being stored away someplace Storing something for two hours is still storing it. The point was why is it bad if it is listen to for X minutes in a month, but okay if it is listen to for X minutes today? I can see no reason at all why two hours is okay if five isn't. I could understand if the argument was that nothing should be stored at all.
    - mulmen 3y ago
      The issue is the difference between 2 hours on board the airplane and forever with corporate access. > The point was why is it bad if it is listen to for X minutes in a month, but okay if it is listen to for X minutes today? That wasn't the point and the problem is who is listening, why, and what they may do with the information.
- Dah00n 3y ago
  That wasn't the point. What can you say that I can hear on a recording that would stress you out if I listen in 3 hours but not if I listen after 1 hour? Is 2 hours okay but 2,5 is perpetual suddenly? That's a strange hill to die on. Zero hours make sense. 2 and no more or less seems ... strange. Why 2 and not 3? 33? 0,3?
  - mulmen 3y ago
    > That wasn't the point. Actually yes, it is the point. As has already been exhaustively pointed out in this thread the issue is the difference between two hours on the airplane that auto-erase and perpetual recording available to the company for whatever purpose they can dream up. > Is 2 hours okay but 2,5 is perpetual suddenly? That's not what the word "perpetual" means. "Perpetual" means "forever" as in "we never delete these recordings".
    - Dah00n 3y ago
      Don't put words in my mouth. OP very clearly said: >"This is a proposal from the NTSB to the FAA to raise the CVR recording time from 2 hours to 25 hours, in line with ICAO." You are arguing two hours is fine, but 25 hours is "perpetual recording". That is a strawman.

by Dah00n 3y ago

I can't follow the logic of how a recording is not stressful in the two hours it is stored, but then suddenly becomes stressful when it has been stored for 2+ hours?

mulmen 3y ago

Then you lack imagination. Perpetual recording has a chilling effect on communication.

ghaff 3y ago
Imagine you knew every on-the-clock interaction you had with a colleague was being stored away someplace that an unspecified number of people had access to as "needed." I'm pretty sure most developers here would object pretty strongly to such an arrangement (and would probably get onto ways to circumvent it).
- Dah00n 3y ago
  >Imagine you knew every on-the-clock interaction you had with a colleague was being stored away someplace Storing something for two hours is still storing it. The point was why is it bad if it is listen to for X minutes in a month, but okay if it is listen to for X minutes today? I can see no reason at all why two hours is okay if five isn't. I could understand if the argument was that nothing should be stored at all.
  - mulmen 3y ago
    The issue is the difference between 2 hours on board the airplane and forever with corporate access. > The point was why is it bad if it is listen to for X minutes in a month, but okay if it is listen to for X minutes today? That wasn't the point and the problem is who is listening, why, and what they may do with the information.
Dah00n 3y ago
That wasn't the point. What can you say that I can hear on a recording that would stress you out if I listen in 3 hours but not if I listen after 1 hour? Is 2 hours okay but 2,5 is perpetual suddenly? That's a strange hill to die on. Zero hours make sense. 2 and no more or less seems ... strange. Why 2 and not 3? 33? 0,3?
- mulmen 3y ago
  > That wasn't the point. Actually yes, it is the point. As has already been exhaustively pointed out in this thread the issue is the difference between two hours on the airplane that auto-erase and perpetual recording available to the company for whatever purpose they can dream up. > Is 2 hours okay but 2,5 is perpetual suddenly? That's not what the word "perpetual" means. "Perpetual" means "forever" as in "we never delete these recordings".
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    Don't put words in my mouth. OP very clearly said: >"This is a proposal from the NTSB to the FAA to raise the CVR recording time from 2 hours to 25 hours, in line with ICAO." You are arguing two hours is fine, but 25 hours is "perpetual recording". That is a strawman.