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Respectfully, history is a terrible measure for carrying on as we have. Tech people are arguing for accountability in a life/death scenario. That there is no

Respectfully, history is a terrible measure for carrying on as we have. Tech people are arguing for accountability in a life/death scenario. That there is no privacy in public spaces is a longstanding social/legal tradition. A cockpit is physically private for physical security reasons but the pilots in the cockpit are acting on behalf of public trust. Their social norms in that physical context are not their own to define. If pilots want privacy they can quit and sit at home.

t0mas88 3y ago
Free market at play, no airline can afford to say "well then quit and sit at home". There is a huge pilot shortage. No airline in their right mind is about to do things their workforce doesn't want. Just to illustrate, 5 years ago a first officer on year 2 pay would make on average 40-50k per year. In 2023 that has increased to 143k per year for all three American Airlines owned regionals (plus a 165k retention bonus). Similar for Spirit, increased to 142k standard and 145k on the Airbus. And JetBlue to 160k for the A320 and 153k for the A220. In this market, the first airline CEO to say "well then quit and sit at home" to their union will have half their workforce walk out within months.
- xeornet 3y ago
  Precisely why the FAA should implement this and not leave it up to the airlines.
  - eitland 3y ago
    So far I can't see anyone coming up with any cases were this would have made life safer or even solved a previously unsolved case. The law of diminishing returns very much exist, and as one of my teachers in engineering once pointed out: if you really want to use surveillance to put a dent in the crime statistics you should put it in people's living rooms and in their bedrooms.
thfuran 3y ago
Do you feel the same way about surveillance of the inside of your car while it's on public roadways?
- xeornet 3y ago
  If I’m a taxi driver or school bus driver, yes!
  - thfuran 3y ago
    You're just a able to crash into oncoming traffic as any cabbie. Why should you not be subject to the same intrusive surveillance? What are you hiding?
    - xeornet 3y ago
      There's a key distinction between operating a vehicle for commercial purposes and a private operation, not just the ability to harm others. There's a reason why commercial pilots licences are in a completely different league in terms of training and responsibility to PPLs.

t0mas88 3y ago

Free market at play, no airline can afford to say "well then quit and sit at home". There is a huge pilot shortage. No airline in their right mind is about to do things their workforce doesn't want. Just to illustrate, 5 years ago a first officer on year 2 pay would make on average 40-50k per year. In 2023 that has increased to 143k per year for all three American Airlines owned regionals (plus a 165k retention bonus). Similar for Spirit, increased to 142k standard and 145k on the Airbus. And JetBlue to 160k for the A320 and 153k for the A220. In this market, the first airline CEO to say "well then quit and sit at home" to their union will have half their workforce walk out within months.

xeornet 3y ago
Precisely why the FAA should implement this and not leave it up to the airlines.
- eitland 3y ago
  So far I can't see anyone coming up with any cases were this would have made life safer or even solved a previously unsolved case. The law of diminishing returns very much exist, and as one of my teachers in engineering once pointed out: if you really want to use surveillance to put a dent in the crime statistics you should put it in people's living rooms and in their bedrooms.

thfuran 3y ago

Do you feel the same way about surveillance of the inside of your car while it's on public roadways?

xeornet 3y ago
If I’m a taxi driver or school bus driver, yes!
- thfuran 3y ago
  You're just a able to crash into oncoming traffic as any cabbie. Why should you not be subject to the same intrusive surveillance? What are you hiding?
  - xeornet 3y ago
    There's a key distinction between operating a vehicle for commercial purposes and a private operation, not just the ability to harm others. There's a reason why commercial pilots licences are in a completely different league in terms of training and responsibility to PPLs.