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they want it to end? thats the goal? do you support them? do you support their official slogan "God is the Greatest Death to America Death to Israel A Curse Upo

they want it to end? thats the goal? do you support them? do you support their official slogan "God is the Greatest Death to America Death to Israel A Curse Upon the Jews Victory to Islam"? does that sound like a bunch of people who just want peace in the middle east? do you understand that they are a genocidal force on their own? stated very clearly in their official slogan

nerfbatplz 3y ago
They’ve been at the sharp end of Uncle Sam’s finest munitions for a decade, they have earned the right to hate America. They haven’t attacked any other countries, they haven’t even killed anyone in any of their ship attacks.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  Yeah something that is really hard to see in these US and Europe focused HN comment sections is that the united states is the legitimate enemy of a great many people. They have not imagined or misunderstood the situation. We will, and in many cases have, destabilized their countries, armed despots and helped execute coups, routinely killed civilians including children, blockaded regions causing famine and preventable death by the millions. We justify this that it is better for the world overall if we do it. Maybe we are right. But that doesn't put the legs back on your children we cannot expect everyone to love us for it.
  - xinuc 3y ago
    A good reading about this is of course Noam Chomsky.
giraffe_lady 3y ago
Their demands are clearly communicated and reasonable in this case. It is that israel stop bombing gaza and that food, medicine, and aid be allowed into gaza unimpeded.
xinuc 3y ago
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- bluGill 3y ago
  Hamas kidnapping and otherwise firing rockets at Israel is also real action.
  - xinuc 3y ago
    Sure it is.
  - uluyol 3y ago
    You mean the rockets that are intercepted? Which civilians have been hit, compared to the tens of thousands in Gaza in a few weeks? Those interceptor rockets cost Israel (and the US) much more than it costs Hamas to manufacture. That's economic warfare. It's like a DDoS attack. Do something cheap that costs your enemy a lot. The goal is to make occupation too expensive to sustain.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    Then surely you will agree that 20-30x more Palestinians dying than Israelis is worse and needs to stop. Russia has killed less civilians in 2 years than Israel did in 3 months, so one might call this an "economic sanction" just like those that were enacted back in 2021 against Russia.
    - bluGill 3y ago
      I'm not happy with either side in this conflict and have not been for decades. I will not agree that any civilian death is better or worse than another. I refuse to use body counts at all in comparisons. When Hamas places their military infrastructure in/under hospitals and schools I place the blame for civilian deaths near those places on Hamas. That does not excuse the other civilian deaths that Israel has needlessly caused though.

nerfbatplz 3y ago

They’ve been at the sharp end of Uncle Sam’s finest munitions for a decade, they have earned the right to hate America. They haven’t attacked any other countries, they haven’t even killed anyone in any of their ship attacks.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
Yeah something that is really hard to see in these US and Europe focused HN comment sections is that the united states is the legitimate enemy of a great many people. They have not imagined or misunderstood the situation. We will, and in many cases have, destabilized their countries, armed despots and helped execute coups, routinely killed civilians including children, blockaded regions causing famine and preventable death by the millions. We justify this that it is better for the world overall if we do it. Maybe we are right. But that doesn't put the legs back on your children we cannot expect everyone to love us for it.
- xinuc 3y ago
  A good reading about this is of course Noam Chomsky.

giraffe_lady 3y ago

Their demands are clearly communicated and reasonable in this case. It is that israel stop bombing gaza and that food, medicine, and aid be allowed into gaza unimpeded.

xinuc 3y ago

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bluGill 3y ago
Hamas kidnapping and otherwise firing rockets at Israel is also real action.
- xinuc 3y ago
  Sure it is.
- uluyol 3y ago
  You mean the rockets that are intercepted? Which civilians have been hit, compared to the tens of thousands in Gaza in a few weeks? Those interceptor rockets cost Israel (and the US) much more than it costs Hamas to manufacture. That's economic warfare. It's like a DDoS attack. Do something cheap that costs your enemy a lot. The goal is to make occupation too expensive to sustain.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  Then surely you will agree that 20-30x more Palestinians dying than Israelis is worse and needs to stop. Russia has killed less civilians in 2 years than Israel did in 3 months, so one might call this an "economic sanction" just like those that were enacted back in 2021 against Russia.
  - bluGill 3y ago
    I'm not happy with either side in this conflict and have not been for decades. I will not agree that any civilian death is better or worse than another. I refuse to use body counts at all in comparisons. When Hamas places their military infrastructure in/under hospitals and schools I place the blame for civilian deaths near those places on Hamas. That does not excuse the other civilian deaths that Israel has needlessly caused though.