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What's the impact on emissions? On the price of goods being transported?

by elric 3y ago

Solvency 3y ago
Emissions? Bad. Really really bad.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  Curious if people will demand we shop less rather than condemn the attackers.
  - elric 3y ago
    Why not both?
    - gumballindie 3y ago
      I am all for consuming less, for more than one reason, but i am not keen on people taking the side of pirates. That might make me want to consume harder to be honest.
      - solarpunk 3y ago
        this is nonsensical.
        gumballindie 3y ago
        In hindsight it is.
  - lebean 3y ago
    That's been happening, but is that a surprise?
  - nottorp 3y ago
    Shopping less is always a good idea, but it's unrelated to the situation discussed here.
- cm2187 3y ago
  I understand going around Africa adds 20% to the route for a ship coming from Asia.
uluyol 3y ago
If the purpose of keeping emissions low is humanitarian, then there is a much bigger humanitarian concern at the center of all this.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > there is a much bigger humanitarian concern at the center of all this If you’re talking about Yemen, sure. If you’re talking about Gaza, it’s naïve to think anything there will restore confidence in the Bab al-Mandab.
  - pphysch 3y ago
    The Houthi leadership have repeatedly said that they will stop the attacks if the Israeli assault & ethnic cleansing of Palestine ends. The real naivete is presuming that the "lalala can't hear you, I will do whatever I want" playbook of US/Israeli foreign policy is sustainable in any way.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      Lots of people say lots of things. When it comes to geopolitics, actions and capability are what matter. Until someone is willing to underwrite shipping insurance on the Houthis’ word, their leadership’s promises are worthless.
    - theshrike79 3y ago
      So the Houthi are admitting that they control the pirates in the Red Sea so strongly that they can order them to stop and they will obey?
    - newsclues 3y ago
      Negotiating with terrorists is stupid. Giving in to their demands only empowers them to do it again.
dubcanada 3y ago
Maersk added $500-750 USD "season surplus" which is related to this for every shipment from North/South America and Europe to start with [1]. The shipping cost for items that have to go around is about double $1600 to $4000 ish as seen [2]. So the cost is quite a bit extra. [1] - https://www.maersk.com/news/articles/2024/01/05/peak-season-surcharge-north-south-europe-medi-adriatic-africa-to-us-canada https://www.maersk.com/news/articles/2024/01/05/peak-season-... [2] - https://www.drewry.co.uk/supply-chain-advisors/supply-chain-expertise/world-container-index-assessed-by-drewry https://www.drewry.co.uk/supply-chain-advisors/supply-chain-...
newsclues 3y ago
Both go up.

What's the impact on emissions? On the price of goods being transported?

by elric 3y ago

What's the impact on emissions? On the price of goods being transported?

Solvency 3y ago

Emissions? Bad. Really really bad.

gumballindie 3y ago
Curious if people will demand we shop less rather than condemn the attackers.
- elric 3y ago
  Why not both?
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    I am all for consuming less, for more than one reason, but i am not keen on people taking the side of pirates. That might make me want to consume harder to be honest.
    - solarpunk 3y ago
      this is nonsensical.
      - gumballindie 3y ago
        In hindsight it is.
- lebean 3y ago
  That's been happening, but is that a surprise?
- nottorp 3y ago
  Shopping less is always a good idea, but it's unrelated to the situation discussed here.
cm2187 3y ago
I understand going around Africa adds 20% to the route for a ship coming from Asia.

uluyol 3y ago

If the purpose of keeping emissions low is humanitarian, then there is a much bigger humanitarian concern at the center of all this.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> there is a much bigger humanitarian concern at the center of all this If you’re talking about Yemen, sure. If you’re talking about Gaza, it’s naïve to think anything there will restore confidence in the Bab al-Mandab.
- pphysch 3y ago
  The Houthi leadership have repeatedly said that they will stop the attacks if the Israeli assault & ethnic cleansing of Palestine ends. The real naivete is presuming that the "lalala can't hear you, I will do whatever I want" playbook of US/Israeli foreign policy is sustainable in any way.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    Lots of people say lots of things. When it comes to geopolitics, actions and capability are what matter. Until someone is willing to underwrite shipping insurance on the Houthis’ word, their leadership’s promises are worthless.
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    So the Houthi are admitting that they control the pirates in the Red Sea so strongly that they can order them to stop and they will obey?
  - newsclues 3y ago
    Negotiating with terrorists is stupid. Giving in to their demands only empowers them to do it again.

dubcanada 3y ago

Maersk added $500-750 USD "season surplus" which is related to this for every shipment from North/South America and Europe to start with [1]. The shipping cost for items that have to go around is about double $1600 to $4000 ish as seen [2]. So the cost is quite a bit extra. [1] - https://www.maersk.com/news/articles/2024/01/05/peak-season-surcharge-north-south-europe-medi-adriatic-africa-to-us-canada https://www.maersk.com/news/articles/2024/01/05/peak-season-... [2] - https://www.drewry.co.uk/supply-chain-advisors/supply-chain-expertise/world-container-index-assessed-by-drewry https://www.drewry.co.uk/supply-chain-advisors/supply-chain-...

newsclues 3y ago

Both go up.