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Can you elaborate how your experiment was setup? After all, while you do post studies which clarify details of your theory, you do not counter the 48 studies l

Can you elaborate how your experiment was setup? After all, while you do post studies which clarify details of your theory, you do not counter the 48 studies linked in the wikipedia article.

Podgajski 3y ago
The studies don’t only include people who are genetically susceptible to EMFs. so if only one and 10 people have the sensitivity, the probability they will be in the studies are reduced. Then you have the problem in the studies of people claiming they have the sensitivity when it is an anxiety or psychological issue. These are widely known issues with the studies that say there’s no effect. As for myself, the last five years I have consistently noted how I slept, and how I felt and then only afterward measuring the frequency, magnetic and electric fields, and the radio frequency electronic radiation. If I do not know if they magnetic field or electric field is strong, then there is no way placebo effect could occur, correct? This is the same with the laptops that I measure high magnetic fields, giving me bloody nose. Apple computers have very low EMF emissions, while most other laptops are very high. I discovered accidentally because I work a lot with computers. It was only after measuring the fields that I noticed what was going on. My last experiment was my tinnitus. I had someone put a cell phone on the table behind my head streaming videos. One was a video off-line and the other one was a video from YouTube. They were the same video. But the one that was streaming from YouTube after 5 to 10 minutes my tent is increased. This did not occurr with the other Video playing when the phone was on airplane mode. Regarding my sleep, I live in a minivan and I can sleep 10 hours when I am in low or absent EMF area. If I am in a high area, especially with bid man 5G, my sleep is interrupted and it must I get 4 to 5 hours of sleep. I can guarantee you as I’ve worked as a network engineer for one of the largest networking companies that I was way more skeptical of this than you will ever be.
- Hehohei 3y ago
  "If such individuals exist, they represent a small minority and have not been identified yet." -> You should talk to them then. A good blind study would be a EMF isolated room (shielded mesh, etc), a assistant you don't see (no visual or accustic cue at all) and a procedure you can repeat. You go out, the assitant sets up the experiment (which is recorded, somehow EMF free), either activates an active EMF (perhaps constant file transfer, radio antenna etc.), the person leaves the room (the source is hidden), you enter, you wait x minutes (probably more than one), you either say yes or no and leave. If you are clearly above random and you can show this result, you would be a good candidate for proper research. Your assumption that you proof your EMF sensibility by recording the messurement after is way to unprecise. You might hold your EMF device wrong, ignore values, might have some visual or accustic cues etc. What device do you use to messure EMF? What range? 5G has a broad spectrum, your sector antennas might send while you messure because someone is doing something close by etc.
  - Podgajski 3y ago
    I have an acoustimeter am-11 which measures RF radiation up to 8 GHz and a 50Hz meter which measures both electric and magnetic field separately. The area I measure is close to my body, not near the source cause that would be stupid. I measure at several angles and positions. My house has background rf EMFs below 5 mircrowatts per meter with no cellphone on in the house. You are making it more complicated than it needs to be.
    - Hehohei 3y ago
      The issue is, that we talk about a potential placebo/nocebo effect, which means you need to make sure to get rid of all ambigiousities. And tbh buying / using a device made by a Anti EMF Page/Company who sells EMF protection is everything but trustworthy. You know bias, fake shops, gold audio cables, crystals etc. Now: Have you done a proper blind test? What was your experiment setup? How often did you repeat it? And what does it mean
      - Podgajski 3y ago
        I already told you what I purchased. Now you’re just trolling me and it’s useless to continue with you. I was a freaking network engineer I think I know how science works.
        ben_w 3y ago
        > I was a freaking network engineer I think I know how science works. The fact you think having been a network engineer has much to do with the scientific method, does not bode well. I've got a published paper with my name on it. It's about forecasting octopus reproduction using satellite data. Even despite that, I don't go around calling myself a proper scientist, because I appreciate the difficulties of proper experimental design and eliminating confounding variables and know that even "proper scientists" don't get it all correct on their first attempt any more than I as a software developer get bug-free code on my first attempt.
        Hehohei 3y ago
Podgajski 3y ago
Let’s just look at one of the studies. What was the conclusion? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00139 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00139... “If such individuals exist, they represent a small minority and have not been identified yet. The available observational studies do not allow differentiating between biophysical from EMF and nocebo effects.” Even the Wikipedia article does not say it does not exist!

Can you elaborate how your experiment was setup? After all, while you do post studies which clarify details of your theory, you do not counter the 48 studies linked in the wikipedia article.

Podgajski 3y ago

The studies don’t only include people who are genetically susceptible to EMFs. so if only one and 10 people have the sensitivity, the probability they will be in the studies are reduced. Then you have the problem in the studies of people claiming they have the sensitivity when it is an anxiety or psychological issue. These are widely known issues with the studies that say there’s no effect. As for myself, the last five years I have consistently noted how I slept, and how I felt and then only afterward measuring the frequency, magnetic and electric fields, and the radio frequency electronic radiation. If I do not know if they magnetic field or electric field is strong, then there is no way placebo effect could occur, correct? This is the same with the laptops that I measure high magnetic fields, giving me bloody nose. Apple computers have very low EMF emissions, while most other laptops are very high. I discovered accidentally because I work a lot with computers. It was only after measuring the fields that I noticed what was going on. My last experiment was my tinnitus. I had someone put a cell phone on the table behind my head streaming videos. One was a video off-line and the other one was a video from YouTube. They were the same video. But the one that was streaming from YouTube after 5 to 10 minutes my tent is increased. This did not occurr with the other Video playing when the phone was on airplane mode. Regarding my sleep, I live in a minivan and I can sleep 10 hours when I am in low or absent EMF area. If I am in a high area, especially with bid man 5G, my sleep is interrupted and it must I get 4 to 5 hours of sleep. I can guarantee you as I’ve worked as a network engineer for one of the largest networking companies that I was way more skeptical of this than you will ever be.

Hehohei 3y ago
"If such individuals exist, they represent a small minority and have not been identified yet." -> You should talk to them then. A good blind study would be a EMF isolated room (shielded mesh, etc), a assistant you don't see (no visual or accustic cue at all) and a procedure you can repeat. You go out, the assitant sets up the experiment (which is recorded, somehow EMF free), either activates an active EMF (perhaps constant file transfer, radio antenna etc.), the person leaves the room (the source is hidden), you enter, you wait x minutes (probably more than one), you either say yes or no and leave. If you are clearly above random and you can show this result, you would be a good candidate for proper research. Your assumption that you proof your EMF sensibility by recording the messurement after is way to unprecise. You might hold your EMF device wrong, ignore values, might have some visual or accustic cues etc. What device do you use to messure EMF? What range? 5G has a broad spectrum, your sector antennas might send while you messure because someone is doing something close by etc.
- Podgajski 3y ago
  I have an acoustimeter am-11 which measures RF radiation up to 8 GHz and a 50Hz meter which measures both electric and magnetic field separately. The area I measure is close to my body, not near the source cause that would be stupid. I measure at several angles and positions. My house has background rf EMFs below 5 mircrowatts per meter with no cellphone on in the house. You are making it more complicated than it needs to be.
  - Hehohei 3y ago
    The issue is, that we talk about a potential placebo/nocebo effect, which means you need to make sure to get rid of all ambigiousities. And tbh buying / using a device made by a Anti EMF Page/Company who sells EMF protection is everything but trustworthy. You know bias, fake shops, gold audio cables, crystals etc. Now: Have you done a proper blind test? What was your experiment setup? How often did you repeat it? And what does it mean
    - Podgajski 3y ago
      I already told you what I purchased. Now you’re just trolling me and it’s useless to continue with you. I was a freaking network engineer I think I know how science works.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        > I was a freaking network engineer I think I know how science works. The fact you think having been a network engineer has much to do with the scientific method, does not bode well. I've got a published paper with my name on it. It's about forecasting octopus reproduction using satellite data. Even despite that, I don't go around calling myself a proper scientist, because I appreciate the difficulties of proper experimental design and eliminating confounding variables and know that even "proper scientists" don't get it all correct on their first attempt any more than I as a software developer get bug-free code on my first attempt.
      - Hehohei 3y ago

Podgajski 3y ago

Let’s just look at one of the studies. What was the conclusion? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00139 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00139... “If such individuals exist, they represent a small minority and have not been identified yet. The available observational studies do not allow differentiating between biophysical from EMF and nocebo effects.” Even the Wikipedia article does not say it does not exist!