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>literally taking up the nazi salute. All I’ve can find is one video, not the same thing as them pledging allegiance to the Nazi cause. The flag uses a common
by comte7092 3y ago
>literally taking up the nazi salute.
All I’ve can find is one video, not the same thing as them pledging allegiance to the Nazi cause.
The flag uses a common rhetorical pattern in the region. “Death to” is often compared to something more similar to “down with”.
The “curse against the Jews” part is concerning but it seems pretty clear in context that this is still just a reference to Israel. To the extent that the houthis are actually looks to kill Jews for being Jews, yes that is obviously horrible. But I think a more reasonable interpretation is that they generally aim to fight against the US and Israel, and which is the core part of their goals.
To be clear, their treatment of Jews is clearly an issue, but they are not literally Hitler.
>The Houthis have been accused of expelling or restricting members of the rural Yemeni Jewish community, which had about 50 remaining members. Reports of abuse include Houthi supporters bullying or attacking the country's Jews. Houthi officials, however, have denied any involvement in the harassment, asserting that under Houthi control, Jews in Yemen would be able to live and operate freely as any other Yemeni citizen. "Our problems are with Zionism and the occupation of Palestine, but Jews here have nothing to fear", said Fadl Abu Taleb, a spokesman for the Houthis. But despite insistence by Houthi leaders that the movement is not sectarian, a Yemeni Jewish rabbi has reportedly said that many Jews remain terrified by the movement's slogan. As a result, Yemeni Jews reportedly retain a negative sentiment towards the Houthis, who they allege have committed persecutions against them. According to Israeli Druze politician Ayoob Kara, Houthi militants had given an ultimatum telling Jews to "convert to Islam or leave Yemen".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement?wprov=sfti1#Persecution_of_the_Yemenite_Jewish_community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement?wprov=sfti1#Pe...
- taeric 3y agoI'm not sure what you are aiming for here? I did not claim they are literally Hitler. I said they literally took up the nazi salute. My understanding is they did so on purpose. I would believe you regarding an odd downplay of "death to" with "down with," were it not for how willing to kill a lot of the actors in the area are? Again, I do not understand why folks give this group so much charity in "they say this, but they mean the much more reasonable that" way. It is mind numbing how much runway is being laid out here. Seriously, why do you think they deserve to be believed for holding reasonable positions that they have not made credible claims to? Heck, they haven't made many claims to them, period.
- comte7092 3y ago>I would believe you regarding an odd downplay of "death to" with "down with," were it not for how willing to kill a lot of the actors in the area are? It’s important to understand what terms of phrase are. It’s very common in American English to say “I killed it” or “I murdered it” to mean someone did a task well. It doesn’t mean the literal thing that is said. The houthis are obviously violent and have murderous intent. That is what armed conflict entails (this is true of the Houthis, the saudis, the Iranians, the israelis and the Americans, etc etc). But that doesn’t mean you have free to strip words and phrases of their cultural context.