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This was what I came to comment. Very strange. This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-release-date-price/ https://beebom.com/n

This was what I came to comment. Very strange. This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-release-date-price/ https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-r... says "the RTX 4070 Ti Super is up to 10% faster than the non-Super 4070 Ti on average" So, on average, up to 10% faster, yeah seems pretty incremental.

anonym29 3y ago
The big difference with the 4070 Ti Super is that it's using the AD103 chip (with a full 256-bit memory bus and 16GB of VRAM) found in the 4080, which is a huge leap over the AD104 chip found in the 4070 Ti (non-Super), which only touts a 192-bit memory bus and 12GB of VRAM. While the TFLOPS of the Super variant does only see a ~10% increase as you note, memory bandwidth jumps by 42% and the memory capacity jumps by 33%, while the launch price is the same in my currency. It basically bridges half the distance between a 4070 Ti (non-Super) and a 4080 (non-Super) for the same launch price as a 4070 Ti (non-Super). Great card for memory intensive workloads like LLM inference with big context windows, IMO. EDIT1: 4070 Ti Super TDP is 320W (same as 4080), higher than the anticipated 285W EDIT2: launch price confirmed to be same as the 4070 Ti (non-Super), lower than anticipated!
- burntalmonds 3y ago
  It sure would be nice if Nvidia just named the new card 4075 or something. The whole 4070 vs 4070 Super vs 4070 Ti vs 4070 Ti Super naming scheme sucks.
- jasonjmcghee 3y ago
  Appreciate the extra insight here! I hope for the sake of purchasers it is only 12% cost increase, but I have a suspicion if there's more than 12% extra value, we'll see it in the price
  - anonym29 3y ago
    Just checked the CES announcement and updated my post to reflect that it actually has the same launch price that the 4070 Ti (non-Super) had! Amazing bargain!
    - tharmas 3y ago
      Not only that, the RTX 4070 Ti Super gets near the same performance as the RTX 4080 non Super for $400 less. But that's MSRP. I have a feeling this card will be selling for a lot more than that.
- happycube 3y ago
  For running AI models etc the 4070ti is the best value of the bunch by far. Memory size and bandwidth are the most important things in that order (which makes the 4050, er, 4060ti 16GB a weak card) Ergo, there's a decent chance it won't sell for MSRP.
- sundvor 3y ago
  Cheers, the 4070 TI certainly hits a certain sweet spot for sure. I got a 4090 a few months ago before the prices increased, and I'm beyond stoked with the performance for (typically triple qhd simulation) gaming. It's just a beast. I have a 2nd PC I'd like to upgrade too though, and the 4070 TI looks like it would be fantastic in this.
madeofpalk 3y ago
Which is what the Super cards usually are. A minor 'mid cycle' refresh/improvement on cards, moving better components down the line to cheaper cards. But yes, very weird that none of the comparions actually show them!.
- 0x457 3y ago
  It's not weird at all. Those cards aren't meant as next buy for owners of non-Super 40xx cards. Cards are compared with cards that potential buyers currently have.
  - im3w1l 3y ago
    To me it's a bit strange because it assumes a buy / not buy perspective rather than a buy this / buy that perspective.
    - 0x457 3y ago
      Welcome to PC hardware. People rarely switch camps or price tier. People who have 4070 today are the people who had 1070/2070/3070.
      - t0bia_s 3y ago
        Rather 1080/2080/3080 with current prices.
        0x457 3y ago
        Well, 1080/2080/3080 go to 2080/3080/4080 and 1070/2070/3070 go to 2070/3070/4070 and so on. Even though, Nvidia shifted their tiers a bit. Not everyone is buying the best and latest. Plenty of people wait for previous gens to drop in prices or enter the secondary market.
      - RugnirViking 3y ago
        Can that really be true? I figure most people just stick with whatever they have then buy the best thing in their means when the old one gets too slow for their needs. I can't imagine upgrading from 1070 to 2070, in fact right now most people that I know who are considering upgrading are on the 900 series
samstave 3y ago
Im holding out for the "the RTX 6090 Ti Super MAX XXXtreme 197Hz Mr. Manager" Ive a lot of AMd Nvidia machines - two high-end gaming machines.. the naming conventions of Nvidia cards are just odd to me and I can tell what anything actually means..
- culopatin 3y ago
  Super means more. What is xtxxtt in AMD language?

anonym29 3y ago

The big difference with the 4070 Ti Super is that it's using the AD103 chip (with a full 256-bit memory bus and 16GB of VRAM) found in the 4080, which is a huge leap over the AD104 chip found in the 4070 Ti (non-Super), which only touts a 192-bit memory bus and 12GB of VRAM. While the TFLOPS of the Super variant does only see a ~10% increase as you note, memory bandwidth jumps by 42% and the memory capacity jumps by 33%, while the launch price is the same in my currency. It basically bridges half the distance between a 4070 Ti (non-Super) and a 4080 (non-Super) for the same launch price as a 4070 Ti (non-Super). Great card for memory intensive workloads like LLM inference with big context windows, IMO. EDIT1: 4070 Ti Super TDP is 320W (same as 4080), higher than the anticipated 285W EDIT2: launch price confirmed to be same as the 4070 Ti (non-Super), lower than anticipated!

burntalmonds 3y ago
It sure would be nice if Nvidia just named the new card 4075 or something. The whole 4070 vs 4070 Super vs 4070 Ti vs 4070 Ti Super naming scheme sucks.
jasonjmcghee 3y ago
Appreciate the extra insight here! I hope for the sake of purchasers it is only 12% cost increase, but I have a suspicion if there's more than 12% extra value, we'll see it in the price
- anonym29 3y ago
  Just checked the CES announcement and updated my post to reflect that it actually has the same launch price that the 4070 Ti (non-Super) had! Amazing bargain!
  - tharmas 3y ago
    Not only that, the RTX 4070 Ti Super gets near the same performance as the RTX 4080 non Super for $400 less. But that's MSRP. I have a feeling this card will be selling for a lot more than that.
happycube 3y ago
For running AI models etc the 4070ti is the best value of the bunch by far. Memory size and bandwidth are the most important things in that order (which makes the 4050, er, 4060ti 16GB a weak card) Ergo, there's a decent chance it won't sell for MSRP.
sundvor 3y ago
Cheers, the 4070 TI certainly hits a certain sweet spot for sure. I got a 4090 a few months ago before the prices increased, and I'm beyond stoked with the performance for (typically triple qhd simulation) gaming. It's just a beast. I have a 2nd PC I'd like to upgrade too though, and the 4070 TI looks like it would be fantastic in this.

madeofpalk 3y ago

Which is what the Super cards usually are. A minor 'mid cycle' refresh/improvement on cards, moving better components down the line to cheaper cards. But yes, very weird that none of the comparions actually show them!.

0x457 3y ago
It's not weird at all. Those cards aren't meant as next buy for owners of non-Super 40xx cards. Cards are compared with cards that potential buyers currently have.
- im3w1l 3y ago
  To me it's a bit strange because it assumes a buy / not buy perspective rather than a buy this / buy that perspective.
  - 0x457 3y ago
    Welcome to PC hardware. People rarely switch camps or price tier. People who have 4070 today are the people who had 1070/2070/3070.
    - t0bia_s 3y ago
      Rather 1080/2080/3080 with current prices.
      - 0x457 3y ago
        Well, 1080/2080/3080 go to 2080/3080/4080 and 1070/2070/3070 go to 2070/3070/4070 and so on. Even though, Nvidia shifted their tiers a bit. Not everyone is buying the best and latest. Plenty of people wait for previous gens to drop in prices or enter the secondary market.
    - RugnirViking 3y ago
      Can that really be true? I figure most people just stick with whatever they have then buy the best thing in their means when the old one gets too slow for their needs. I can't imagine upgrading from 1070 to 2070, in fact right now most people that I know who are considering upgrading are on the 900 series

samstave 3y ago

Im holding out for the "the RTX 6090 Ti Super MAX XXXtreme 197Hz Mr. Manager" Ive a lot of AMd Nvidia machines - two high-end gaming machines.. the naming conventions of Nvidia cards are just odd to me and I can tell what anything actually means..

culopatin 3y ago
Super means more. What is xtxxtt in AMD language?