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But it'll likely conflict directly with personal freedoms. Plus what's the logic behind the most draconian of implementations? - If we can hold Bezos to accoun

by Chris2048 3y ago

But it'll likely conflict directly with personal freedoms. Plus what's the logic behind the most draconian of implementations? - If we can hold Bezos to account, why not every AMAZON shareholder?

arp242 3y ago
I don't think it's draconian at all, or conflicting with personal freedoms. How would it conflict? Shareholders aren't making these decisions. But if shareholders voted for something they knew was illegal or could have known was illegal, then yes, maybe they should be held to account too.
- Chris2048 3y ago
  > Shareholders aren't making these decisions What are "these decisions"? I assumed you are talking about punishing people like Bezos for the activities of Amazon, even without proof he had direct knowledge/involvement of them, purely based on his position as a c-suite figurehead?
  - arp242 3y ago
    I don't care who has direct involvement or knowledge; you're accountable for what you operate and if you operate something with rampant scams then you're accountable for that. They're operating a platform that enables criminal activity and they benefit from it. They've been told this (and even without it, they can and should have known). And then they elected to not do all that much about it. "Don't do anything" is just as much of a decision as "do something" is. Last time I looked at this they were literally recommending scams with "Amazon's Choice"[1]. That one is now gone, but you just need to "sort by price" (a reasonable thing to do) to find tons of scams.[2] None of this is new information. This has been going on >10 years. There's tons of stories about this sort of thing. "Yeah, there's tons of scams on our site, and yeah, we're making a profit off those scams, but what can we do?" just doesn't fly. Rampant illegal activity you're making a profit on but somehow no one is accountable? Screw that. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34588734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34588734 [2]: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=2tb+usb+ssd&i=computers&s=price-asc-rank&crid=ZK88MJF39LX4&qid=1704758579&sprefix=2tb+usb+sdd%2Ccomputers%2C60&ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank&ds=v1%3AydshH1WntNhEg95qrsILSs9V8ZEck4yZ0%2FfS6%2BD7h9E https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=2tb+usb+ssd&i=computers&s=price...

But it'll likely conflict directly with personal freedoms. Plus what's the logic behind the most draconian of implementations? - If we can hold Bezos to account, why not every AMAZON shareholder?

arp242 3y ago

I don't think it's draconian at all, or conflicting with personal freedoms. How would it conflict? Shareholders aren't making these decisions. But if shareholders voted for something they knew was illegal or could have known was illegal, then yes, maybe they should be held to account too.

Chris2048 3y ago
> Shareholders aren't making these decisions What are "these decisions"? I assumed you are talking about punishing people like Bezos for the activities of Amazon, even without proof he had direct knowledge/involvement of them, purely based on his position as a c-suite figurehead?
- arp242 3y ago
  I don't care who has direct involvement or knowledge; you're accountable for what you operate and if you operate something with rampant scams then you're accountable for that. They're operating a platform that enables criminal activity and they benefit from it. They've been told this (and even without it, they can and should have known). And then they elected to not do all that much about it. "Don't do anything" is just as much of a decision as "do something" is. Last time I looked at this they were literally recommending scams with "Amazon's Choice"[1]. That one is now gone, but you just need to "sort by price" (a reasonable thing to do) to find tons of scams.[2] None of this is new information. This has been going on >10 years. There's tons of stories about this sort of thing. "Yeah, there's tons of scams on our site, and yeah, we're making a profit off those scams, but what can we do?" just doesn't fly. Rampant illegal activity you're making a profit on but somehow no one is accountable? Screw that. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34588734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34588734 [2]: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=2tb+usb+ssd&i=computers&s=price-asc-rank&crid=ZK88MJF39LX4&qid=1704758579&sprefix=2tb+usb+sdd%2Ccomputers%2C60&ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank&ds=v1%3AydshH1WntNhEg95qrsILSs9V8ZEck4yZ0%2FfS6%2BD7h9E https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=2tb+usb+ssd&i=computers&s=price...