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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1559827611425762 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/155982761142576... This is an extensive review of ma

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1559827611425762 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/155982761142576... This is an extensive review of many papers from 10 years ago, most data agrees that vegetarian diet is considerably healthier. More modern literature merely adds that if you go full vegan you need to eat quite some if you want to preserve lean mass.

deepnotderp 3y ago
Associated != causal Most people who are vegan are more likely to be health conscious
- epolanski 3y ago
  Comparisons have been made with both diets being healthy, extremely low meat diets consistently come on top for anything but caloric intake and lean mass preservation, which aren't the primary health concerns for people following the average diet anyway.
HWR_14 3y ago
I clicked on a few at random. I saw vegetarianism "with comprehensive lifestyle changes" in one case. "Well-planned" vegan meals compared to a standard (less planned) omnivore diet in another. Obviously, physically active vegetarians who carefully consider their diet (and eat specifically balanced non-ultraprocessed food) compares well to 100% fast food eating couch potatoes. Also obviously, it's far easier to have a nutritional deficit with vegetarian food. I have yet to see a study where vegetarianism is just imposed with no other guidance. If you have one, I would love to see it.
- epolanski 3y ago
  There's also the Stanford twins experiment where the omnivore diet is also very healthy.[1] There's plenty of Harvard studies too. There's an abundance of literature that meat causes cancer, cardiovascular diseases, etc, but people aren't different to 50s smokers. Seriously. It's so obvious that cattle farming is among the most earth destroying activities but people prefer not to see, because it impacts their life. Easier to she'll 50k on a Tesla to feel good. Also, just to point out, I'm not a vegan, all I'm saying is that meat should be heavily limited, which is what I do myself. [1] https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/11/twin-diet-vegan-cardiovascular.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/11/twin-diet-veg...
- triceratops 3y ago
  > physically active vegetarians who carefully consider their diet Or copy-paste vegetarian culinary traditions. They have worked out most of the dietary kinks.

deepnotderp 3y ago

Associated != causal Most people who are vegan are more likely to be health conscious

epolanski 3y ago
Comparisons have been made with both diets being healthy, extremely low meat diets consistently come on top for anything but caloric intake and lean mass preservation, which aren't the primary health concerns for people following the average diet anyway.

HWR_14 3y ago

I clicked on a few at random. I saw vegetarianism "with comprehensive lifestyle changes" in one case. "Well-planned" vegan meals compared to a standard (less planned) omnivore diet in another. Obviously, physically active vegetarians who carefully consider their diet (and eat specifically balanced non-ultraprocessed food) compares well to 100% fast food eating couch potatoes. Also obviously, it's far easier to have a nutritional deficit with vegetarian food. I have yet to see a study where vegetarianism is just imposed with no other guidance. If you have one, I would love to see it.

epolanski 3y ago
There's also the Stanford twins experiment where the omnivore diet is also very healthy.[1] There's plenty of Harvard studies too. There's an abundance of literature that meat causes cancer, cardiovascular diseases, etc, but people aren't different to 50s smokers. Seriously. It's so obvious that cattle farming is among the most earth destroying activities but people prefer not to see, because it impacts their life. Easier to she'll 50k on a Tesla to feel good. Also, just to point out, I'm not a vegan, all I'm saying is that meat should be heavily limited, which is what I do myself. [1] https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/11/twin-diet-vegan-cardiovascular.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/11/twin-diet-veg...
triceratops 3y ago
> physically active vegetarians who carefully consider their diet Or copy-paste vegetarian culinary traditions. They have worked out most of the dietary kinks.