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So, you're literally a genocide denier. So is Ben Kiernan. That's horrific bro. Heinous semantic quibbles aside - 30,000 people have been killed. PEOPLE. Live

So, you're literally a genocide denier. So is Ben Kiernan. That's horrific bro. Heinous semantic quibbles aside - 30,000 people have been killed. PEOPLE. Lives ended. ZERO senior Hamas leaders have been killed. ZERO hostages have been rescued. 75% of all homes have been destroyed, for 2.3 million people. This result cost 11 figures. And you and Ben Kiernan say you're not sure if there's enough intent to call it a genocide! Buddy, Israeli state TV have a bunch of schoolkids singing about "total annihilation" of Gaza. There's HD video of too many war crimes and atrocities to list. These people are filming unimaginable horror, and you're cherry-picking one genocide researcher's statment from 2 months and 20,000 murders ago. That's a yikes dude. The list of genocidal statements from Israeli leaders is looooong - I already posted it. You dismissed it as "from an advocacy group", even though it's fully sourced. The less said the better about the UN?? Why - because Israel have killed more UN workers than any conflict in history?! You are literally a genocide denier. You're helping ethnic cleansing happen. You are. Deny it, call it what you like, that is what you are choosing to do with your one life on earth. God help you. 0 - https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

dash2 3y ago
That's correct. I'm denying that Israel is committing genocide, because I think it isn't. 1) Hamas quotes 22K people killed. I don't know where your 30K figure comes from. Even if you believe the figures of Hamas, which has every incentive to lie and no ethics to hold it back, this is 1% of the Gaza strip's population. If Israel wanted to kill many more times that, it obviously could. I suggest to you that urban warfare against irregular forces has inevitable casualties, which does not make that war unjust. Was the taking of Berlin genocide? If not, what is the difference? 2) Numerous hostages have been rescued, in negotiations which were enabled by the military pressure put on Hamas. 3) A senior Hamas leader was widely reported killed just 2 days ago. 4) You don't know how many homes have been destroyed. The UN estimates 65,000 homes. The highest estimate quoted here by the Guardian is 33%. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/08/the-numbers-that-reveal-the-extent-of-the-destruction-in-gaza https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/08/the-numbers-th... I'm happy to believe that Israel has committed war crimes, and it would not surprise me. I worry about ethnic cleansing too - though that will be shown by what happens after the war and not by the fact that Israel encourages civilians to flee a war zone. Claims of genocide are overblown, and I suggest you should tone down your heated rhetoric. The original context was one guy making a lot of inaccurate claims; a second person doing the same does not weaken my case.

dash2 3y ago

That's correct. I'm denying that Israel is committing genocide, because I think it isn't. 1) Hamas quotes 22K people killed. I don't know where your 30K figure comes from. Even if you believe the figures of Hamas, which has every incentive to lie and no ethics to hold it back, this is 1% of the Gaza strip's population. If Israel wanted to kill many more times that, it obviously could. I suggest to you that urban warfare against irregular forces has inevitable casualties, which does not make that war unjust. Was the taking of Berlin genocide? If not, what is the difference? 2) Numerous hostages have been rescued, in negotiations which were enabled by the military pressure put on Hamas. 3) A senior Hamas leader was widely reported killed just 2 days ago. 4) You don't know how many homes have been destroyed. The UN estimates 65,000 homes. The highest estimate quoted here by the Guardian is 33%. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/08/the-numbers-that-reveal-the-extent-of-the-destruction-in-gaza https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/08/the-numbers-th... I'm happy to believe that Israel has committed war crimes, and it would not surprise me. I worry about ethnic cleansing too - though that will be shown by what happens after the war and not by the fact that Israel encourages civilians to flee a war zone. Claims of genocide are overblown, and I suggest you should tone down your heated rhetoric. The original context was one guy making a lot of inaccurate claims; a second person doing the same does not weaken my case.