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What type of 'electromagnetic radiation' is now specially new to this device? And what health risks are you aware of, i'm not? You do know, that light is the

What type of 'electromagnetic radiation' is now specially new to this device? And what health risks are you aware of, i'm not? You do know, that light is the same thing right? And you do know that even without a headset you do have radio waves and wifi around you constantly?

Podgajski 3y ago
Light is not the same thing as anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation. We evolved with sunlight we did not live with these anthropomorphic created electromagnetic polarized frequencies until very recently. And yes, I’m aware of the radio waves around me constantly and that’s a problem as well. So I was adding any more of it going to do anything to help us? http://pe.org.pl/articles/2020/9/35.pdf http://pe.org.pl/articles/2020/9/35.pdf
- Miraste 3y ago
  Among other issues, that paper is about VR headsets that use 60GHz antennas, which are much higher energy than normal radios. The Vision Pro doesn't have one and the technology has been more or less phased out.
  - Podgajski 3y ago
    Yes, See my problem? I can’t seem to find any testing on Apple VR headset regarding to SAR or any other type of radiation. That’s emitted from it. All I can find is, you’ll have an extremely strong Wi-Fi signal right next to your head probably for long period and you would use a cell phone that close to your head. I’ve had to find an SAR rating for it anywhere. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/apple-vision-pro-has-already-redefined-wifi-network-design-colins-ivxse https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/apple-vision-pro-has-already-...
    - curioussavage 3y ago
      Pretty sure the radios are down in the puck. Not by your head
      - Miraste 3y ago
        That's only a battery pack. All the electronics are in the headset.
- Hehohei 3y ago
  There have been plenty of studies for a long time regarding this and a practical 'study' going on for now a long time across the globe with billions of people. What is your specific worry? getting cancer? The paper you reference states the same: "Hence, VR headsets and mobile phones are safe." And yes light is the same thing as anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation, depending on what radiation you talk about. like the light coming from the display. If you mean the specific wireless connection, than no. At least pls tell me that you don't have quarz cyrstals around you for protection. But if you would take this serious, you do not use wifi? You do life in a metal mesh?
  - Podgajski 3y ago
    Why do people have to constantly degrade the legitimate science going on between the question of man-made electromagnetic radiation and human health? One of the biggest differences between light and electromagnetic waves created by humans is that they are polarized. Light waves are not polarized they are scattered. Light waves are also not pulsed. Cancer? Maybe. What about cataracts? What about tinnitus? What about mood disturbances? What about Parkinson’s? EMFs affect our neurology and it’s been published and papers over and over. There are non-thermal effects in biological beings that are underplayed by the industry. Is this going to affect everyone the same way? No. Because genetics matter. The fact that electromagnetic radiation seems to stimulate voltage gated ion channels will mean that people with, different genetics in these ion channels will have different effects to electromagnetic radiation. And in fact, I am one of these people who are sensitive to it. Both low frequency and radio frequency, EMF cause mood, disturbances, insomnia, and tinnitus. And when, using laptops with high levels of low frequency electromagnetic radiation i have nosebleeds. Other people have seen this happened to me in real time. I’m sure that’s all in my head though right?
    - trogdor 3y ago
      >I’m sure that’s all in my head though right? I don’t know, but it doesn’t seem too difficult to create a blind (better, double-blind) test so you can know for sure. Is that something you are interested in doing?
- 93po 3y ago
  > anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation what? you realize all living beings have been exposed to huge amounts of EM radiation since the inception of life in the universe, right? The fact that it's now human made doesn't give it magical properties that cause it to be more damaging. your body itself, right now, emits EM radiation. The piece of fruit next to you emits it. there is zero science showing that the energy received or sent by your every day electronic devices has any amount of harm to living beings. go stand outside for 5 minutes, you'll get getting a dose of EM radiation significantly higher than your phone pressed against your head for a year.
  - Podgajski 3y ago
    This comment is totally ignorant on the science behind electromagnetic fields that are used for telecommunications. If light or like anthropomorphic EMF, it would be a laser. If telecommunication radio frequency waves were not polarized they could not transmit any information.
    - Eisenstein 3y ago
      I'm not sure I understand the metaphor. What is wrong with lasers? If they are pointed at your eye they could be harmful, but we don't have an 'eye' for the waves that are pointed at us, and a laser powerful enough to do damage to us for other reasons like heat would show likewise the same damage in non viewable wavelengths. No one is contending that EMF waves can't harm people, since it is know that they can if they are of specific type and power. People are asking how it is possible the ones that exist that are of low power used for communication could harm some incredibly small number of people and not everyone, since it is a physical effect. If you flipped it and someone said they were immune to bullets, would you believe them?
      - Podgajski 3y ago
        Do you just say things without even verifying them with a quick search? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3799025/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3799025/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/article-abstract/478796 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/article-abs...

Podgajski 3y ago

Light is not the same thing as anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation. We evolved with sunlight we did not live with these anthropomorphic created electromagnetic polarized frequencies until very recently. And yes, I’m aware of the radio waves around me constantly and that’s a problem as well. So I was adding any more of it going to do anything to help us? http://pe.org.pl/articles/2020/9/35.pdf http://pe.org.pl/articles/2020/9/35.pdf

Miraste 3y ago
Among other issues, that paper is about VR headsets that use 60GHz antennas, which are much higher energy than normal radios. The Vision Pro doesn't have one and the technology has been more or less phased out.
- Podgajski 3y ago
  Yes, See my problem? I can’t seem to find any testing on Apple VR headset regarding to SAR or any other type of radiation. That’s emitted from it. All I can find is, you’ll have an extremely strong Wi-Fi signal right next to your head probably for long period and you would use a cell phone that close to your head. I’ve had to find an SAR rating for it anywhere. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/apple-vision-pro-has-already-redefined-wifi-network-design-colins-ivxse https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/apple-vision-pro-has-already-...
  - curioussavage 3y ago
    Pretty sure the radios are down in the puck. Not by your head
    - Miraste 3y ago
      That's only a battery pack. All the electronics are in the headset.
Hehohei 3y ago
There have been plenty of studies for a long time regarding this and a practical 'study' going on for now a long time across the globe with billions of people. What is your specific worry? getting cancer? The paper you reference states the same: "Hence, VR headsets and mobile phones are safe." And yes light is the same thing as anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation, depending on what radiation you talk about. like the light coming from the display. If you mean the specific wireless connection, than no. At least pls tell me that you don't have quarz cyrstals around you for protection. But if you would take this serious, you do not use wifi? You do life in a metal mesh?
- Podgajski 3y ago
  Why do people have to constantly degrade the legitimate science going on between the question of man-made electromagnetic radiation and human health? One of the biggest differences between light and electromagnetic waves created by humans is that they are polarized. Light waves are not polarized they are scattered. Light waves are also not pulsed. Cancer? Maybe. What about cataracts? What about tinnitus? What about mood disturbances? What about Parkinson’s? EMFs affect our neurology and it’s been published and papers over and over. There are non-thermal effects in biological beings that are underplayed by the industry. Is this going to affect everyone the same way? No. Because genetics matter. The fact that electromagnetic radiation seems to stimulate voltage gated ion channels will mean that people with, different genetics in these ion channels will have different effects to electromagnetic radiation. And in fact, I am one of these people who are sensitive to it. Both low frequency and radio frequency, EMF cause mood, disturbances, insomnia, and tinnitus. And when, using laptops with high levels of low frequency electromagnetic radiation i have nosebleeds. Other people have seen this happened to me in real time. I’m sure that’s all in my head though right?
  - trogdor 3y ago
    >I’m sure that’s all in my head though right? I don’t know, but it doesn’t seem too difficult to create a blind (better, double-blind) test so you can know for sure. Is that something you are interested in doing?
93po 3y ago
> anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation what? you realize all living beings have been exposed to huge amounts of EM radiation since the inception of life in the universe, right? The fact that it's now human made doesn't give it magical properties that cause it to be more damaging. your body itself, right now, emits EM radiation. The piece of fruit next to you emits it. there is zero science showing that the energy received or sent by your every day electronic devices has any amount of harm to living beings. go stand outside for 5 minutes, you'll get getting a dose of EM radiation significantly higher than your phone pressed against your head for a year.
- Podgajski 3y ago
  This comment is totally ignorant on the science behind electromagnetic fields that are used for telecommunications. If light or like anthropomorphic EMF, it would be a laser. If telecommunication radio frequency waves were not polarized they could not transmit any information.
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    I'm not sure I understand the metaphor. What is wrong with lasers? If they are pointed at your eye they could be harmful, but we don't have an 'eye' for the waves that are pointed at us, and a laser powerful enough to do damage to us for other reasons like heat would show likewise the same damage in non viewable wavelengths. No one is contending that EMF waves can't harm people, since it is know that they can if they are of specific type and power. People are asking how it is possible the ones that exist that are of low power used for communication could harm some incredibly small number of people and not everyone, since it is a physical effect. If you flipped it and someone said they were immune to bullets, would you believe them?
    - Podgajski 3y ago
      Do you just say things without even verifying them with a quick search? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3799025/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3799025/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/article-abstract/478796 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/article-abs...