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I wonder how many pans this thing is gonna warp? Also -- a display in the center of the stove? Seems... like a bad place for it. I am happy to see competition

by lbotos 3y ago

I wonder how many pans this thing is gonna warp? Also -- a display in the center of the stove? Seems... like a bad place for it. I am happy to see competition in the space though and I hope more induction burners can get more accurate temp sensing and PID control I recently bought a https://www.webstaurantstore.com/hatco-irng-pc1-18-rapide-cuisine-stainless-steel-black-countertop-induction-range-cooker-120v-1800w/413IRNGPC118.html https://www.webstaurantstore.com/hatco-irng-pc1-18-rapide-cu... instead of a control freak as it has a temp probe and I wanted to see how well it worked. Haven't gotten around to seriously testing it yet but the plan is to mount their drop in 2 burner version in the counter if the probe works well.

jeffbee 3y ago
What's the fan like in that Hatco? I have a countertop induction cooker and I use it less often than I'd like because its fan runs full blast, at all times, regardless of the power setting. If I need to cook something at a very low heat for hours the fan noise is just too obnoxious to tolerate.
- phubbard 3y ago
  This. At _least_ temp control the fans.
- lbotos 3y ago
  I'll test it today when I cook and see. I recall it coming on with a recent 20ish minute cooking session, It was loud but lemme try again.
  - lbotos 3y ago
    So, tried making an omlette today, at about 65% is when the fan kicked on. It felt like about 20-30% louder than my sous vide. So not unbearable, but noticeable.
    - jeffbee 3y ago
      No fan below half power? I am insane with envy. Might have to check that out.
      - lbotos 3y ago
        It seems like a function of time as well. I was simmering on it tonight at 35% and fan came on around I'd say 30 min or so. Again, Not an aggressive fan and muuuuch less so than the convection fan on my Waring https://www.waringcommercialproducts.com/p/bn3k1/quarter-size-convection-oven https://www.waringcommercialproducts.com/p/bn3k1/quarter-siz...
floatrock 3y ago
> a display in the center of the stove? Seems... like a bad place for it. yeah. I get the ease of nice displays controls, but being right under where hot pots and pans will inevitably land is a recipe for early impact and heat failure. Not to mention how many people will reach for one of these controls and inevitably burn their hands on the pot simmering right next to it. This feels like one of those things that looks good on a design presentation but once you field-test it, you quickly realize "oh, this is not great. at all." If you don't just have 5k lying around doing nothing, I would ask for pretty strong warranty with all this.
- amluto 3y ago
  Displays along these lines are how most of the high-ish end residential induction cooktops work these days. They’re generally very annoying to use and often laggy and unresponsive, but they generally do work. But this particular stove has knobs, which hopefully improve the situation.
deadbabe 3y ago
Why would pans warp? I’ve used induction for a long time and never seen a pan warp because of it. Maybe if you’re just using cheap thin pans? The display in the center is bad if it’s a touch screen, water gets on it and it starts going crazy, very annoying.
- ravedave5 3y ago
  This is over 5 times the wattage. You could probably melt metal with this if you had a dry pan and this had no sensors.
- lbotos 3y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrI33N-Sjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrI33N-Sjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrI33N-Sjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrI33N-Sjg
jacknews 3y ago
> I am happy to see competition in the space though and I hope more induction burners can get more accurate temp sensing and PID control The thing is most the cheap chinese single cooktops all use the same microcontroller/firmware package, but the firmware is absolute garbage. It really wouldn't take much to make a good, PID equivalent (and BTW, have the UI run on a separate controller over an i2c or spi connection, so manufacturers can differentiate that way), and then even all the cheap cookers would be actually good.
the_third_wave 3y ago
What does this $823 single-coil 1.8 kW induction hob have over an IKEA €40 single-coil 2 kW induction hob [1]? You can get 20 of those IKEA hobs for the price of one of these so 'it will last longer' does not really apply. [1] https://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/p/tillreda-draagbare-inductiekookplaat-1-zone-wit-10486794/ https://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/p/tillreda-draagbare-inductiekook...

by lbotos 3y ago

jeffbee 3y ago

What's the fan like in that Hatco? I have a countertop induction cooker and I use it less often than I'd like because its fan runs full blast, at all times, regardless of the power setting. If I need to cook something at a very low heat for hours the fan noise is just too obnoxious to tolerate.

phubbard 3y ago
This. At _least_ temp control the fans.
lbotos 3y ago
I'll test it today when I cook and see. I recall it coming on with a recent 20ish minute cooking session, It was loud but lemme try again.
- lbotos 3y ago
  So, tried making an omlette today, at about 65% is when the fan kicked on. It felt like about 20-30% louder than my sous vide. So not unbearable, but noticeable.
  - jeffbee 3y ago
    No fan below half power? I am insane with envy. Might have to check that out.
    - lbotos 3y ago
      It seems like a function of time as well. I was simmering on it tonight at 35% and fan came on around I'd say 30 min or so. Again, Not an aggressive fan and muuuuch less so than the convection fan on my Waring https://www.waringcommercialproducts.com/p/bn3k1/quarter-size-convection-oven https://www.waringcommercialproducts.com/p/bn3k1/quarter-siz...

floatrock 3y ago

> a display in the center of the stove? Seems... like a bad place for it. yeah. I get the ease of nice displays controls, but being right under where hot pots and pans will inevitably land is a recipe for early impact and heat failure. Not to mention how many people will reach for one of these controls and inevitably burn their hands on the pot simmering right next to it. This feels like one of those things that looks good on a design presentation but once you field-test it, you quickly realize "oh, this is not great. at all." If you don't just have 5k lying around doing nothing, I would ask for pretty strong warranty with all this.

amluto 3y ago
Displays along these lines are how most of the high-ish end residential induction cooktops work these days. They’re generally very annoying to use and often laggy and unresponsive, but they generally do work. But this particular stove has knobs, which hopefully improve the situation.

deadbabe 3y ago

Why would pans warp? I’ve used induction for a long time and never seen a pan warp because of it. Maybe if you’re just using cheap thin pans? The display in the center is bad if it’s a touch screen, water gets on it and it starts going crazy, very annoying.

ravedave5 3y ago
This is over 5 times the wattage. You could probably melt metal with this if you had a dry pan and this had no sensors.
lbotos 3y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrI33N-Sjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrI33N-Sjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrI33N-Sjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrI33N-Sjg

jacknews 3y ago

> I am happy to see competition in the space though and I hope more induction burners can get more accurate temp sensing and PID control The thing is most the cheap chinese single cooktops all use the same microcontroller/firmware package, but the firmware is absolute garbage. It really wouldn't take much to make a good, PID equivalent (and BTW, have the UI run on a separate controller over an i2c or spi connection, so manufacturers can differentiate that way), and then even all the cheap cookers would be actually good.

the_third_wave 3y ago

What does this $823 single-coil 1.8 kW induction hob have over an IKEA €40 single-coil 2 kW induction hob [1]? You can get 20 of those IKEA hobs for the price of one of these so 'it will last longer' does not really apply. [1] https://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/p/tillreda-draagbare-inductiekookplaat-1-zone-wit-10486794/ https://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/p/tillreda-draagbare-inductiekook...