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What's with the FUD. What else besides PWAs promise to free everyone from app store rent and anticompetitive policies? PWAs would also open the doors to new mo

What's with the FUD. What else besides PWAs promise to free everyone from app store rent and anticompetitive policies? PWAs would also open the doors to new mobile OSs beyond Google or apple control.

PaulHoule 3y ago
I think web apps are great. The average brand has no business making a mobile app when an web application would do. It's the "progressive" part I have a problem with. Web apps revolutionized our idea of what an application can do; everything in PWA makes web applications worse, not better. Just to take a simple example, when I want to visit Hacker news I just type n in the address bar of my iPad and click on the auto-suggest result and I am there. If I had an app for it, it would compete with all the other apps that have a burnt umber orange icon or that have an "H", an "N" or a "Y" as their own logo. (McDonald's might be the only brand that can pull that off) If I had an app for that I'd also be installing lots of other apps and have 4 or 5 pages of them to scroll through. If anything, brands should be asking for ways to make installed apps as easy to find as uninstalled web pages are. (Note all the things I complained about originally except the lack of a reliable storage facility, are problems with apps. What makes it a 'side project' is that PWA advocates keep denying that "it just doesn't work" and then act incredulous that nobody wants to waste time with them.) If anything, most app authors should just quit drinking the Kool-Aid and just make plain ordinary web applications without any of the PWA power-downs. It's like playing a Mario game and finding some mushroom that makes you smaller without any benefit (like being able to go in some hole.)
- janci 3y ago
  What are you even talking about? PWAs are an option on top of an ordinary web app. I guess all PWAs can be opened in the browser without "installing" them. Also "competing with all other apps" is the fault of OS built-in search. Nothing to do with PWA
palata 3y ago
> What else besides PWAs promise to free everyone from app store rent and anticompetitive policies? I don't know... laws? > PWAs would also open the doors to new mobile OSs beyond Google or apple control. Or force everyone into ChromeOS once and for all.
- kristiandupont 3y ago
  >laws? Maybe. I am not impressed so far, though. >Or force everyone into ChromeOS once and for all. I don't see that happening on iOS.
  - palata 3y ago
    Still you count on the law to force iOS to accept PWAs, right? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
    - kristiandupont 3y ago
      First of all, no, even if I did, that would only be hypocritical if I was rooting for the law not to apply to the app store. But I am not expecting either.
      - palata 3y ago
        So you don't count on the law to free you from the Apple Store (because that is the only major platform with a lock-in), but you hope that somehow magically PWAs will be distributed on iOS? How does that work?

What's with the FUD. What else besides PWAs promise to free everyone from app store rent and anticompetitive policies? PWAs would also open the doors to new mobile OSs beyond Google or apple control.

PaulHoule 3y ago

I think web apps are great. The average brand has no business making a mobile app when an web application would do. It's the "progressive" part I have a problem with. Web apps revolutionized our idea of what an application can do; everything in PWA makes web applications worse, not better. Just to take a simple example, when I want to visit Hacker news I just type n in the address bar of my iPad and click on the auto-suggest result and I am there. If I had an app for it, it would compete with all the other apps that have a burnt umber orange icon or that have an "H", an "N" or a "Y" as their own logo. (McDonald's might be the only brand that can pull that off) If I had an app for that I'd also be installing lots of other apps and have 4 or 5 pages of them to scroll through. If anything, brands should be asking for ways to make installed apps as easy to find as uninstalled web pages are. (Note all the things I complained about originally except the lack of a reliable storage facility, are problems with apps. What makes it a 'side project' is that PWA advocates keep denying that "it just doesn't work" and then act incredulous that nobody wants to waste time with them.) If anything, most app authors should just quit drinking the Kool-Aid and just make plain ordinary web applications without any of the PWA power-downs. It's like playing a Mario game and finding some mushroom that makes you smaller without any benefit (like being able to go in some hole.)

janci 3y ago
What are you even talking about? PWAs are an option on top of an ordinary web app. I guess all PWAs can be opened in the browser without "installing" them. Also "competing with all other apps" is the fault of OS built-in search. Nothing to do with PWA

palata 3y ago

> What else besides PWAs promise to free everyone from app store rent and anticompetitive policies? I don't know... laws? > PWAs would also open the doors to new mobile OSs beyond Google or apple control. Or force everyone into ChromeOS once and for all.

kristiandupont 3y ago
>laws? Maybe. I am not impressed so far, though. >Or force everyone into ChromeOS once and for all. I don't see that happening on iOS.
- palata 3y ago
  Still you count on the law to force iOS to accept PWAs, right? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
  - kristiandupont 3y ago
    First of all, no, even if I did, that would only be hypocritical if I was rooting for the law not to apply to the app store. But I am not expecting either.
    - palata 3y ago
      So you don't count on the law to free you from the Apple Store (because that is the only major platform with a lock-in), but you hope that somehow magically PWAs will be distributed on iOS? How does that work?