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There should be rules on what can be called “Made in Oklahoma” just like the Maglite controversy over how “Made in Ontario California” could’t be used because o

by 1-6 3y ago

There should be rules on what can be called “Made in Oklahoma” just like the Maglite controversy over how “Made in Ontario California” could’t be used because of part sourcing not being 100% domestic.

darknavi 3y ago
"Final assembly in..."
- paxys 3y ago
  Where "finally assembly" means screwing on a door handle after the rest of the car was shipped from China.
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > Where "finally assembly" means screwing on a door handle after the rest of the car was shipped from China. Do you know that for sure? According to Wikipedia: - Canoo's research & development team is based in Michigan, in the Detroit region (Auburn Hills, Livonia), but production operations are in Justin, Texas. - On June 17, 2021, the company announced they would build a new factory in Pryor, Oklahoma (just outside Tulsa) to manufacture all of their future vehicles. - On November 15, 2021, the company announced it would move its headquarters to Bentonville, Arkansas and establish a manufacturing plant there.[37] As of December 2022 the company still lists Torrance, California as its headquarters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoo
    - COGlory 3y ago
      I understand why, but people are jumping the gun to cynicism here. Obviously, a "factory" could mean anything, and maybe we need more details to know, but at first real inspection, it seems like they're making them in Oklahoma.
      - mikeyouse 3y ago
        For better or worse, several of the recent tax laws have heavily incentivized domestic manufacturing, especially in high-tech spaces like batteries, EVs, and semiconductors. There will indeed be a lot of actual manufacturing in the states in the next few years. Just look at the construction investment charts, there's legitimate industrial policy for the first time in generations. Compare the manufacturing facility spending today vs. the "other" category which included the housing boom in 2007; https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/unpacking-the-boom-in-us-construction-of-manufacturing-facilities-figure2.png https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/unpacking-the-boo... Or https://econbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/constr_invest_mfg-1.png https://econbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/constr_in... (From here: https://econbrowser.com/archives/2023/07/the-manufacturing-construction-boom https://econbrowser.com/archives/2023/07/the-manufacturing-c...)
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kordlessagain 3y ago
> “Canoo is proud to bring motor vehicle manufacturing back to Oklahoma and create high-paying jobs,” said Tony Aquila, investor, chairman and CEO of Canoo. “Our innovative LDV 130 delivery vehicles will work for Oklahomans and help state agencies improve fleet efficiency. Our vehicles are perfect for how the state uses vehicles today, and our advanced telematics and lower overall cost of ownership will continue to pay dividends down the road.” Canoo isn't claiming it's "made in Oklahoma". The article and state is saying it, which is not the same thing at all.
- pwagland 3y ago
  > Canoo is proud to bring motor vehicle manufacturing back to Oklahoma That sounds like they are "making"/"manufacturing" it in Oklahoma though?
  - to11mtm 3y ago
    Manufacturing is a start. If the plant/product proves successful, eventually suppliers will start moving closer as well. (Source: Family member works at a supplier for most major car makers doing exactly this. In the case of long relationships with supplier and manufacturer, the building of plants can be very closely aligned on start/ready dates.)
tzs 3y ago
This got me curios in general about "Made in..." labels, and I found this interesting document on what is required for "Made in USA" labels from the Federal Trade Commission [1]. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard.pdf https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bu...
justrealist 3y ago
Nothing more complicated than corn would be made anywhere by this definition.
- varelse 3y ago
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duxup 3y ago
I don't know if it is reflective of the confusion but I've noticed some manufactures on their website will talk about how their product is made in the USA and have added information. Things like "hey look here's our factory in the US and this where we make every product". I assume those companies actually "made in the USA" are pretty sensitive to that label being watered down and they want to assure people that they're legit.

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darknavi 3y ago

"Final assembly in..."

paxys 3y ago
Where "finally assembly" means screwing on a door handle after the rest of the car was shipped from China.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > Where "finally assembly" means screwing on a door handle after the rest of the car was shipped from China. Do you know that for sure? According to Wikipedia: - Canoo's research & development team is based in Michigan, in the Detroit region (Auburn Hills, Livonia), but production operations are in Justin, Texas. - On June 17, 2021, the company announced they would build a new factory in Pryor, Oklahoma (just outside Tulsa) to manufacture all of their future vehicles. - On November 15, 2021, the company announced it would move its headquarters to Bentonville, Arkansas and establish a manufacturing plant there.[37] As of December 2022 the company still lists Torrance, California as its headquarters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoo
  - COGlory 3y ago
    I understand why, but people are jumping the gun to cynicism here. Obviously, a "factory" could mean anything, and maybe we need more details to know, but at first real inspection, it seems like they're making them in Oklahoma.
    - mikeyouse 3y ago
      For better or worse, several of the recent tax laws have heavily incentivized domestic manufacturing, especially in high-tech spaces like batteries, EVs, and semiconductors. There will indeed be a lot of actual manufacturing in the states in the next few years. Just look at the construction investment charts, there's legitimate industrial policy for the first time in generations. Compare the manufacturing facility spending today vs. the "other" category which included the housing boom in 2007; https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/unpacking-the-boom-in-us-construction-of-manufacturing-facilities-figure2.png https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/unpacking-the-boo... Or https://econbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/constr_invest_mfg-1.png https://econbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/constr_in... (From here: https://econbrowser.com/archives/2023/07/the-manufacturing-construction-boom https://econbrowser.com/archives/2023/07/the-manufacturing-c...)
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kordlessagain 3y ago

> “Canoo is proud to bring motor vehicle manufacturing back to Oklahoma and create high-paying jobs,” said Tony Aquila, investor, chairman and CEO of Canoo. “Our innovative LDV 130 delivery vehicles will work for Oklahomans and help state agencies improve fleet efficiency. Our vehicles are perfect for how the state uses vehicles today, and our advanced telematics and lower overall cost of ownership will continue to pay dividends down the road.” Canoo isn't claiming it's "made in Oklahoma". The article and state is saying it, which is not the same thing at all.

pwagland 3y ago
> Canoo is proud to bring motor vehicle manufacturing back to Oklahoma That sounds like they are "making"/"manufacturing" it in Oklahoma though?
- to11mtm 3y ago
  Manufacturing is a start. If the plant/product proves successful, eventually suppliers will start moving closer as well. (Source: Family member works at a supplier for most major car makers doing exactly this. In the case of long relationships with supplier and manufacturer, the building of plants can be very closely aligned on start/ready dates.)

tzs 3y ago

This got me curios in general about "Made in..." labels, and I found this interesting document on what is required for "Made in USA" labels from the Federal Trade Commission [1]. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard.pdf https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bu...

justrealist 3y ago

Nothing more complicated than corn would be made anywhere by this definition.

varelse 3y ago
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duxup 3y ago

I don't know if it is reflective of the confusion but I've noticed some manufactures on their website will talk about how their product is made in the USA and have added information. Things like "hey look here's our factory in the US and this where we make every product". I assume those companies actually "made in the USA" are pretty sensitive to that label being watered down and they want to assure people that they're legit.