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The main issue I have with the Vision Pro is that Apple learned with the iPad what to do and what not to do when it comes to their customers, chiefly to have an
by satvikpendem 3y ago
The main issue I have with the Vision Pro is that Apple learned with the iPad what to do and what not to do when it comes to their customers, chiefly to have an app store that you could not install software outside of. Had the Mac been invented today, it surely would follow the same model, and the Vision Pro is very likely to be following such a model.
If I can't use it to have my own applications, whatever they might be, that I don't want to put on the app store, like emulators, virtual desktops, or hell, even code editors, then what's the point (for consumers like me)?
Do you know how Apple wants you to run a code editor on Vision Pro? That's right, own a Mac and literally stream the video output to the Vision Pro, even though they literally contain the same Apple Silicon hardware (same as the iPad). How insane is that? I hope open competitors pop up where I can just run Windows or Linux (or even Android at this point) and install whatever apps I want.
Sidenote, but imagine in 20 years when everyone's wearing miniaturized versions of AR/VR glasses: https://vimeo.com/166807261 https://vimeo.com/166807261
- eddieweng 3y agoShameless plug: I've built a web app which allows you to stream PC games/software to Vision Pro using webRTC without any restriction. https://windowsvisionpro.com https://windowsvisionpro.com
- adastra22 3y agomacOS does follow the same model now, in case you haven’t been paying attention. You can’t run unsigned binaries downloaded from the internet anymore.
- apetresc 3y agoHow could you possibly think this unironically?
- adastra22 3y agohttps://wiki.freepascal.org/Code_Signing_for_macOS#Big_Sur_and_later_on_Apple_M1_ARM64_processors https://wiki.freepascal.org/Code_Signing_for_macOS#Big_Sur_a...
- burnerthrow008 3y agoOk, but: 1. Your link gives directions for enabling a setting on M1/2/3 Macs that does allow running unsigned apps from the internet without prompting. (see the heading labeled "Big Sur and later on Apple M1 ARM64 processors"). 2. Even without following those steps, I can run unsigned apps (I just have to click through a gatekeeper warning the first time I run it) 3. Requiring technical users to run two terminal commands and adjusting one setting in system preferences one time to globally allow unsigned apps seems like a reasonable trade-off to prevent non-technical users from running malicious programs... like, if I were setting up a Mac for my grandmother, I would never enable this gatekeeper bypass. Gatekeeper is one of those things that is loud when it gets in your way, but silent if it isn't working... so having it off by default doesn't really make sense. The only way I can see having it off by default is by adding a screen to the onboarding flow that asks a question like "do you plan to submit an app to the App Store in the 12 months?", and then disabling gatekeeper if the user clicks yes.
- lbourdages 3y agoNot true, you can, but you have to approve them from the system preferences panel.
- pohl 3y agoI'd say it's zero percent insane — that is: one hundred percent sane. This first iteration of the headset is going to have a very short battery life. You do not want to run your IDE right on the headset. Video streaming is probably the lower energy draw of those two possible approaches.
- satvikpendem 3y agoThe point is unless legally obligated to, as in the EU, Apple does not and will not allow their services business to be disrupted. Watch, even in 5 or 10 years when battery power becomes sufficient to run a code editor all day, Apple will still not allow it. This is in fact exactly what happened with the iPad. I had a Windows Surface (which have their own issues) and what I liked was that it was an actual computer. I wanted to replicate it in the Apple ecosystem but turns out that it's impossible. iPads have the perfect form factor, hardware and even accessories to do so, such as the magnetic keyboard, but the software simply will not allow them to cannibalize MacBooks. It's funny, because Jobs himself said, "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will."
- simonbarker87 3y agoDuring the keynote I messaged a friend and said, "All I really want is to stream my Mac screen to it" .... and 60 seconds after I hit send, that's what they announced. I really don't care about all the other stuff they tout right now, as no one really knows if that will be/is useful. But my Mac, in a headset, that is the beach head to build from.
- ladberg 3y ago> Do you know how Apple wants you to run a code editor on Vision Pro? That's right, own a Mac and literally stream the video output to the Vision Pro Source for this? I could believe not wanting a compiler on Vision Pro for battery reasons, but I don't see a reason why something like Sublime Text or VSCode (w/wo Remote) won't be available.
- satvikpendem 3y agoWhat's the point of running a code editor without a compiler? Obviously I could write code in the Notes app, it doesn't mean I literally want a code-as-text editor, I want to run the code I write. VSCode with remote will be available as it runs on the browser anyway.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoEnjoy your 15 minutes of battery life.
- ladberg 3y agoFWIW I never use a code editor with the compiler running locally, I always use VSCode Remote. Even before that I just used a bare bones editor like Atom and SSHFS (or similar) to edit and compile stuff remotely.
- burnerthrow008 3y agoBut most modern IDEs (I know JetBrains and VSCode both do...) support editing on one machine with a remote backend that compiles and runs your code. What you're complaining about isn't much different, except for some technical details of how it is implemented.
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- shafyy 3y agoWell, at least if you live in the EU, soon, you'll be able to sideload apps to your iPhone (and I think also iPad) and probably this law will require them to do it for the Vision (Pro).
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- 93po 3y ago> Sidenote, but imagine in 20 years when everyone's wearing miniaturized versions of AR/VR glasses: https://vimeo.com/166807261 https://vimeo.com/166807261 I have a lot of sensory sensitivities and this is what real life already feels like to me. I look forward to VR glasses I can walk around with something that actively filters this shit out. No more billboards, blaring building lights, blinding headlights, and logos everywhere. Real life ublock origin with annoyance filters on.
- satvikpendem 3y agoOnly if Apple lets you install an adblocker. That's the issue with these closed systems, they might not allow it at all and then you're stuck with it. That's one reason why I use an Android over an iPhone, superior adblocking everywhere.