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Yes because the US had no influence on the current copywrite system... >Outside the U.S pay 1 dollar to own something you made is nonsensical Define 'own'. Yo

Yes because the US had no influence on the current copywrite system... >Outside the U.S pay 1 dollar to own something you made is nonsensical Define 'own'. You aren't paying to own the thing, you're paying for legal protections. This is the issue with intellectual 'property' it isn't property, it doesn't require an owner, you aren't deprived of the use of your work if I 'steal' it. You will always own a book in the sense that if somebody copies it, they need to give you credit. That concept of 'ownership' makes at least as much sense as yours.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago
>Define 'own'. You aren't paying to own the thing, you're paying for legal protections...That concept of 'ownership' makes at least as much sense as yours. Define I am not talking about my opinions about stuff, I'm talking about what the legal concepts are regarding copyright in the EU. The EU is a place that is not America. The EU has more stringent copyright rules for non-corporate copyright holders (where it is 70 years after death of longest living creator, if Steamboat Willie was owned by its creators instead of Walt Disney corporation it would still not be Public Domain in Europe) >Yes because the US had no influence on the current copywrite system... I do not believe the EU has been influenced by the U.S to make a copyright system that is more strict than the copyright system of the U.S. It makes more sense to suggest their copyright system is more strict because they have a different model of what a copyright system is for that would argue for a stricter system of copyright.
- benj111 3y ago
  Well we both seem to disagree with the current system, as we're talking about alternatives So in the hypotheticals we're discussing, why are you pointing out it isn't compatible with the legal concepts of the current system, unless you want to keep those concepts?
  - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
    OK well I guess I think your hypotheticals are 1. Even if only limited to U.S extremely unlikely to ever be implemented. 2. because of EU and other regional differences regarding copyright's purposes your hypothetical has actually no chance of ever being enacted outside the U.S 3. if your hypothetical was enacted inside U.S but not outside it would not solve the issue I find most irritating, near impossibility for people who do not have a team for dealing with these things to figure out if something is actually Public Domain or not?!? I recently had Google tell me it thought a video was copyrighted but it is definitely public domain in U.S but they might be right because hey some of the people who worked on the movie the video was taken from died in 1960s - so when does it run out of copyright well I can't track that down so I better not use that for what I want to do with it. Lord Dunsany died in 1957, I have a lot of uses for his stuff lined up but I better not do anything about it until 2027. My hypothetical is bring systems better in alignment - hopefully making EU more limited like U.S and thus people who want to use something to make art etc. can figure out exactly if it is in PD or not simply. Because that is the real copyright problem holding back small creators.
    - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
      a propos the Lord Dunsany thing - I just wait for 2027 no big thing, the big thing for me is when I think I know something is public domain spend some time to start on it and realize no wait - maybe it isn't. For example I was sure Dunsany was public, I saw he was I started and then I happened to come across a notice that it might not be. I was surprised - I thought he died in the 1940s. In the context of reusing parts of movies it is difficult to figure out if it is in PD or not because the +70 years applies to major creators - is that director, producer, major actor? I have a great use for Beat The Devil - that's in public domain in U.S because copyright not renewed - but not sure if that is really the case in European countries. Everything I do to research suggests it is - but... it's too much of a mess to realistically be absolutely certain. Probably is because surely the copyright must have been owned by United Artists so 70 years from 2023 at worst - maybe... but I mean John Huston died in 1987, in some places it was released in 1955 - so if 70 years from public release that's 2025? If 70 years from Huston's death forget about it.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago

>Define 'own'. You aren't paying to own the thing, you're paying for legal protections...That concept of 'ownership' makes at least as much sense as yours. Define I am not talking about my opinions about stuff, I'm talking about what the legal concepts are regarding copyright in the EU. The EU is a place that is not America. The EU has more stringent copyright rules for non-corporate copyright holders (where it is 70 years after death of longest living creator, if Steamboat Willie was owned by its creators instead of Walt Disney corporation it would still not be Public Domain in Europe) >Yes because the US had no influence on the current copywrite system... I do not believe the EU has been influenced by the U.S to make a copyright system that is more strict than the copyright system of the U.S. It makes more sense to suggest their copyright system is more strict because they have a different model of what a copyright system is for that would argue for a stricter system of copyright.

benj111 3y ago
Well we both seem to disagree with the current system, as we're talking about alternatives So in the hypotheticals we're discussing, why are you pointing out it isn't compatible with the legal concepts of the current system, unless you want to keep those concepts?
- bryanrasmussen 3y ago
  OK well I guess I think your hypotheticals are 1. Even if only limited to U.S extremely unlikely to ever be implemented. 2. because of EU and other regional differences regarding copyright's purposes your hypothetical has actually no chance of ever being enacted outside the U.S 3. if your hypothetical was enacted inside U.S but not outside it would not solve the issue I find most irritating, near impossibility for people who do not have a team for dealing with these things to figure out if something is actually Public Domain or not?!? I recently had Google tell me it thought a video was copyrighted but it is definitely public domain in U.S but they might be right because hey some of the people who worked on the movie the video was taken from died in 1960s - so when does it run out of copyright well I can't track that down so I better not use that for what I want to do with it. Lord Dunsany died in 1957, I have a lot of uses for his stuff lined up but I better not do anything about it until 2027. My hypothetical is bring systems better in alignment - hopefully making EU more limited like U.S and thus people who want to use something to make art etc. can figure out exactly if it is in PD or not simply. Because that is the real copyright problem holding back small creators.
  - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
    a propos the Lord Dunsany thing - I just wait for 2027 no big thing, the big thing for me is when I think I know something is public domain spend some time to start on it and realize no wait - maybe it isn't. For example I was sure Dunsany was public, I saw he was I started and then I happened to come across a notice that it might not be. I was surprised - I thought he died in the 1940s. In the context of reusing parts of movies it is difficult to figure out if it is in PD or not because the +70 years applies to major creators - is that director, producer, major actor? I have a great use for Beat The Devil - that's in public domain in U.S because copyright not renewed - but not sure if that is really the case in European countries. Everything I do to research suggests it is - but... it's too much of a mess to realistically be absolutely certain. Probably is because surely the copyright must have been owned by United Artists so 70 years from 2023 at worst - maybe... but I mean John Huston died in 1987, in some places it was released in 1955 - so if 70 years from public release that's 2025? If 70 years from Huston's death forget about it.