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Oklahoma receives first "Made in Oklahoma" EV
- DeathArrow 3y agoGreat for them, I guess. But those vehicles look terribly ugly to me.
- eppp 3y agoIts a commercial vehicle. They are utilitarian. They look better than all of the other 20 varieties of box van that are ubiquitous.
- YukiElectronics 3y agoThey do look a bit goofy, but I think that's part of their charm; kind of like a delivery van version of the Fiat 500e. Personally, I'd say it looks much nicer than almost every SUV and/or pickup truck on the market (I know it's not even the same category, though the same frame is also used for their pickup truck). It just saddens me to see the distance from bumper to front seat (for visibility reasons), though that could just be due to me not being American.
- Thorrez 3y agoApparently the visibility problem has an interesting solution: a window in the middle of the bumper. https://insideevs.com/news/657023/this-is-the-view-you-get-riding-shotgun-in-the-canoo-lifestyle-vehicle/ https://insideevs.com/news/657023/this-is-the-view-you-get-r...
- nerpderp82 3y agoOMG, it is steer by wire. No thanks!
- hbrav 3y agoThey don't look very aerodynamic. But that snubby front end could give them excellent visibility, if done correctly.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y agoIf those are the Canoo vehicles that I'm thinking of, then the front visibly is excellent, but maybe also not how you expected: https://insideevs.com/news/657023/this-is-the-view-you-get-riding-shotgun-in-the-canoo-lifestyle-vehicle/ https://insideevs.com/news/657023/this-is-the-view-you-get-r... It's not a screen, just a tinted window.
- hbrav 3y agoThe diagonal visibility actually looks quite poor. You could easily hide a dog, or a small child, standing close to the vehicle in the direction it's turning towards.
- whalesalad 3y agoGiving me cyberpunk/robocop vibes kinda dig it actually. Not gorgeous by any means but unique for sure.
- digger495 3y agoIt's a Johnny Cab from Total Recall
- whalesalad 3y agoThe fare is 18 credits, please.
- paxys 3y agoThe purpose isn't to use them as a status symbol like most personal cars. They look perfectly fine as transit vans, or for a hundred other government or commercial use cases.
- xbar 3y agoTerribly Ugly might be the lifestyle that those Lifestyle Delivery Vehicles are delivering. Seriously, I would be happy to see those quirky things on the road.
- 83 3y agoI would buy the ugliest EV in the world if it was cheap and had great range. Sadly that vehicle doesn't exist yet.
- pivo 3y agoFunny, I was just thinking that they're refreshing different looking. Almost everything on the road today looks the same to me, I often have to look at the badge on a vehicle to know the manufacturer.
- _ph_ 3y agoI would buy one, if it were available in a "private car" config for a reasonable price. I would love to be able to see the road directly in front of the car through the lower window.
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- beAbU 3y agoThankfully your opinions and beauty standards mean nothing on the internet. I for one think they look fantastic.
- dna_polymerase 3y ago> Thankfully your opinions and beauty standards mean nothing on the internet. But mine do...
- 1-6 3y agoThere should be rules on what can be called “Made in Oklahoma” just like the Maglite controversy over how “Made in Ontario California” could’t be used because of part sourcing not being 100% domestic.
- darknavi 3y ago"Final assembly in..."
- paxys 3y agoWhere "finally assembly" means screwing on a door handle after the rest of the car was shipped from China.
- andsoitis 3y ago> Where "finally assembly" means screwing on a door handle after the rest of the car was shipped from China. Do you know that for sure? According to Wikipedia: - Canoo's research & development team is based in Michigan, in the Detroit region (Auburn Hills, Livonia), but production operations are in Justin, Texas. - On June 17, 2021, the company announced they would build a new factory in Pryor, Oklahoma (just outside Tulsa) to manufacture all of their future vehicles. - On November 15, 2021, the company announced it would move its headquarters to Bentonville, Arkansas and establish a manufacturing plant there.[37] As of December 2022 the company still lists Torrance, California as its headquarters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoo
- 1970-01-01 3y agoCanoo also builds EVs for NASA: https://www.canoo.com/nasa/ https://www.canoo.com/nasa/
- beAbU 3y agoHopefully they have a battery maintenance program in place. Nobody wants to be the one to admit that the first Artemis launch was postponed because the crew transport vehicles' batteries were flat.
- recursive 3y agoYou should call them up. They might have forgotten again.
- electrondood 3y agoYeah, or run out of gas. That would be equally likely.
- beAbU 3y agoGuys it was a joke. Because the Artemis program is always never launching. So these cars are going to stand around doing nothing for years. It's not EV hate.
- jmyeet 3y agoOklahoma is actually doing some really interesting stuff. They've greenlit and are building a new refinery that will be powered entirely by renewable energy [1]. Now, you might be tempted to say "how can a refinery be 'green'?". After all, it's still producing refined petroleum products. Thing is, we're already producing those and new refineries are much greener than old refineries [2]. Limited refining capacity is a big contributor to, for example, high gas prices in the last few years. The US hasn't built a significant refinery in decades and we're losing capacity as existing refineries are repuprosed or shuttered completely. We still need refined petroleum products and will do for some time to come. Anyway, other comments seem to complain the cars aren't really made in Oklahoma. But there's a factory in Pryor, OK. Car parts for any car factory are sourced from all over the place. "Made in X" is a fairly nebulous concept with global commodities and manufacturing. [1]: https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2023/05/24/5-6-billion-green-energy-refinery-to-be-built-in-cushing/70251897007/ https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2023/05/24/5-6-billion-... [2]: https://www.wri.org/insights/technologies-decarbonize-petroleum-refineries https://www.wri.org/insights/technologies-decarbonize-petrol...
- csours 3y agoContext for another way to meet "Made In" requirements: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-down_kit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-down_kit > "A common form of knock-down is a complete knock-down (CKD), which is a kit of entirely unassembled parts of a product. It is also a method of supplying parts to a market, particularly in shipping to foreign nations, and serves as a way of counting or pricing.[1] CKD is a common practice in the automotive, bus, heavy truck, and rail vehicle industries, as well as electronics, furniture and other products. Businesses sell knocked-down kits to their foreign affiliates or licensees for various reasons, including the avoidance of import taxes, to receive tax preferences for providing local manufacturing jobs, or even to be considered as a bidder at all (for example, in public transport projects with "buy national" rules). A semi-knocked-down kit (SKD) or incompletely disassembled kit (although it has never been assembled) is a kit of the partially assembled parts of a product. Both types of KDs, complete and incomplete, are collectively referred to within the auto industry as knocked-down export (KDX), and cars assembled in the country of origin and exported whole to the destination market are known as built-up export (BUX)."
- huytersd 3y agoSo they put together a prebuilt Lego set.
- csours 3y agoYes, every 'Lego set' gets build and taken apart, shipped, and built again. It seems very very silly, but it turns out to be the easiest way to do it. Some clues: Individual Lego pieces can be dropped in a bin with other Lego pieces without sustaining damage. Lego pieces can be shipped in a cardboard box without sustaining damage. Vehicle assembly plants are very complicated. Vehicles have a lot of parts. Some vehicle parts are large. The assembly plant is the only location to which all those parts are shipped, and may be found in proximity. An assembly plant has multiple systems for logistics to ensure that parts come together at the right time and place.
- ricardobeat 3y agoThey design their own vehicles, and most of the steel body and chassis is built locally. This is like saying Lego is 'just melting plastic' into special shapes. There are many problems with Canoo and it will likely go under soon, but that's not one of them.
- lupusreal 3y ago> Lifestyle Delivery Vehicles (LDVs) What the hell is that meant to mean? Do delivery men live in them?
- Zambyte 3y agoFunny :D The "Lifestyle" part is the body, and the "delivery" part is the configuration (seating, roof rack, etc) https://www.canoo.com/canoo/ https://www.canoo.com/canoo/
- thomaslord 3y agoI feel like this term should be repurposed to refer to lifted trucks that never leave pavement
- nerpderp82 3y agoThis vehicle looks like a pedestrian killing machine. The high front ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶p̶i̶l̶l̶a̶r̶ (edit, it is a tinted piece of glass). I hope it has pedestrian detection and automatic braking. https://www.iihs.org/topics/bibliography/ref/2293 https://www.iihs.org/topics/bibliography/ref/2293 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8X7D4svyw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8X7D4svyw
- hasty_pudding 3y agoWas feeling critical of your comment until I looked at the photo. That's a literal wall driving down the street. That's one underestimated value of a hood. Gives the pedestrian an option besides going under the vehicle. With something like this, pedestrian contact survivability drops to absolute zero.
- jefftk 3y agoThe hood needs to be pretty low for a pedestrian to go above it, lower than you'd see on the delivery vehicles (ex: current Sprinter platform) this is competing with.
- SoftTalker 3y ago> With something like this, pedestrian contact survivability drops to absolute zero. Which is to say, not much. Auto vs. Pedestrian is going to be a bad day for the pedestrian no matter what.
- nerpderp82 3y agoThat is not an engineering attitude to take. Cars can absolutely be designed to increase pedestrian survivability. There is a large body of research around this.
- SoftTalker 3y agoPedestrians can increase their survivability by not stepping in front of a moving car, but that's not an attitude to take either apparently.
- bloomingeek 3y agoAnother example of the stupidity of the governance in the state where I live. Governor Stitt (that's right Stitt) has done nothing but fight with the Native Americans, is trying to kill collection of state income tax (half of the state budget! I wonder where that money will be made up from?) and is allowing the public school system to be destroyed. When he was elected, he bragged he was going to make OK a top ten state. Apparently he meant from the bottom ten states. Now he brags we are making cars again when we clearly aren't.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>he bragged he was going to make OK a top ten state He never said top ten at what.
- rightbyte 3y agoDear lord it is steer by wire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=93&v=KgAghyLo4os&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Finsideevs.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=93&v=KgAghyLo4os... Remember, a programmer about as competent as you programmed the ECU!
- fragmede 3y agoYeah but the ECU isn't written in React and has an actual specification to follow. Think nanoservice, with a corresponding level of complexity, ie low, and not modern web app written in a new framework that's a couple of months old. Even you could do a good job writing code the problem space is tiny. Airplanes have been steer-by-wire since the 70's. Strangely air travel isn't this horrible death trap of an ordeal because of this.
- rightbyte 3y agoYe I know. I have worked with ECU programming. Airplanes got way better redundancy than automotive and hopefully better programming practices. There are two scary things the ECUs can do. Block the brakes with the ABS valves. Steer full left, if you got some steering assist. This adds so many malfunctions with bad fail states for no good reason. The steering column would easily fit there. It's empty by their feet. There is just no way I would trust steer-by-wire for cars.
- huytersd 3y agoYeah but it’s probably embedded systems programming with assembly/binary. It’s not some piece of shit framework with 16 levels of abstraction where it’s impossible to make anything robust.
- dghughes 3y agoThese Scooby Do Mystery Wagon shape van EVs seem to be all the rage. There's a company here is SE Canada making a small EV van that looks similar to the Canoo. If there ever was a vehicle called a Canoo it should have been Canadian. Maybe we call make a Moose, Beaver, or Canada goose EV next? Canadian EV site https://www.potentialmotors.com/ https://www.potentialmotors.com/